So since your dream bill doesn’t have the votes to pass. Are any of you willing to compromise on anything to get what you want on the border?
Cause this has been an odd debate.
For the last few years we heard a daily deluge of “DC got to do something about the Border or we are doomed”. So DC started doing some things and NOW “If DC does this we are doomed.”
So, what are any of you willing to compromise on to get some things done on this issue?
You don’t have the votes to pass only 100% of what you want into law. Listening to you, you will not accept anything less then 100% of what you want. At what point are you all going to realize that is a mutually exclusive position? You can have one or the other, you cannot have both. 100% of what you want, 0 of what you don’t want isn’t going to pass the Senate
So what is next? When this bill dies, what do you all do next? Other then bitch about everything endlessly again?
So, without all the usual histrionics, can some explain to me what you all want? Cause basically you are demanding action and refusing any action less then perfection which you don’t have the votes in DC to get.
Basically the end result is you all are maintaining the status quo. Which, as anyone who has read your posts to this board for the last few years, the status quo on the border is suppose to be “destroying the country”.
Frankly this whole debate has been rather surreal to watch.
The only people who have won anything are the illegals.
Cause now at least 2 more years will pass before this issue gets looked at again. This bill will die and no one in Congress is going to bring it up in an election year. Like every other serious topic, Congress will do everything it can to ignore this until after the elections now.
So maybe instead of just mindlessly screaming bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your personal Anti Illegal Immigration dogmas, maybe you all better start writing your own Immigration Reform bill and tell DC what you DO want.
Cause right now it seem that all you all really do want is just to be able sit around and bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch year after year after year.
Cause now at least 2 more years will pass before this issue gets looked at again. This bill will die and no one in Congress is going to bring it up in an election year. Like every other serious topic, Congress will do everything it can to ignore this until after the elections now.
No bill is better than this bill. Granting amnesty will turn the flood of illegals into a deluge as more come here to be in place for the next amnesty that comes about because the likes of Bush didn't do their jobs.
So maybe instead of just mindlessly screaming bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your personal Anti Illegal Immigration dogmas, maybe you all better start writing your own Immigration Reform bill and tell DC what you DO want.
Inhofe already wrote a bill. Try to keep up with current events and work a fact or two into your rants.
I want the laws already on the books enforced.
Say what you want, curse who you want and ramble all you want. The facts are clear. This country is being invaded by illegal aliens and the President has made no effort to repell the invasion. Rather, he has only offered to surrender to them. He and his like on both sides of the isle have done nothing but talk. President Bush has done far more damage to the US by word and deed than has that infamous John Kerry, who many call a traitor.
Enforcement of the border and current laws is better than the status quo.
The status quo is better than granting amnesty to people who have trampled our immigration and labor laws.
I do not “mindlessly [scream] bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with” me. I have noticed, however, that your posts tend to be somewhat less than cordial.
The way I see it, if you don’t allow the Senate and the President to screw it up worse (which is what the bill does) the problem is still there to be fixed. After stopping the bill and punishing the Senators responsible, the remaining ones can use it for an issue in the next elections, 2008 and 2010. If they don't have the votes to pass a responsible border security policy, then they need to gather the votes the good ol' fashioned way - paint the Democrats as the party of treason and depose 'em.
In any case can you really trust any group of Senators that even refused an amendment to exclude the OBVIOUS undesirables like felons and gang members from the various provisions of the bill?
How 'bout asking them to enforce existing laws? Oh, I forgot... those are unenforceable, aren't they? Why will the new ones be enforced?
Let me say this as clearly as I can.
Build the effing wall, North and South. Secure the airports and the harbors.
I do NOT see any reason to include ANY legislation regarding what to do with the illegals already here when discussing what to do with the borders.
Mixing the two and compromising is absolutely rediculous and I'm tired of hearing about it.
If Democrats won't go along with it, then leave them behind.
Republicans better shut the hell up until the borders are secure and forget about their North American Union ideas and their cheap labor supply from South of the border.
Build the wall - and don't bring up legalization of the current crop of illegals until the flow of new illegals has been stopped. PERIOD
Clear enough for you?
ENFORCE THE LAWS, NOW. PERIOD. Close the borders to illegal immigration.
Most of us here do NOT want to merge this country with Mexico which is what is happening and what your favorite piece of legislation would accelerate.
Why do you want this to happen? You care not for this country or its future?
If the current immigration laws aren’t being enforced why would you think that in a compromise of some sort there would be enforcement of new immigration laws?
We do not need new immigration legislation, only the enforcment of the one we already have. Compromising to get legislation for legislations sake is pointless. The President and his supporters haven’t been listening to the nation.
Bitching is far better than an unworkable immigration bill that gives amnesty to law breakers, especially a bill that was crafted by Ted Kennedy.
The Bush status quo has been to NOT enforce the existing immigration laws for nearly 6 1/2 years!
How about building the Republican fence he signed into law last year?
Where are the 6,000 National Guard troops he promised last year?
The illeagal immigrant winners are hiding in the shadows with forged documents, except for the ones in prison for domestic violence.
When the democrats took control of the House and Senate, why was President Bush smiling?
Why are you and Presidente Bush on the side of Ted Kennedy and %80 of the democrats?
Why would you think that the DC critters and President Bush have not been made aware of my views on immigration?
Just enforce the existing immigration laws for 2 years.
The US is not a monarchy, MN.
They’d rather just bitch.
We can all tell that you really know better than all that stuff you were puttin out there. The thing is so screwed up now, with the "R" President, some sell-out "R" Senators and a whole slew of out-of-their-mind Demonicrats with their backs all arched up like a bunch of pist of pussies, that it should be put aside for another couple of years!
This frantic "DO SOMETHING EVEN IT IT'S DEAD WRONG" mentality on the pro-ponents part is a dangerous CONponent of the whole current pressure cooker situation. Cooler heads cannot prevail as there are NO cooler heads. Especially not yours!!!