took me TEN years to pay off my student loans... i have NO pity for them.
Posted on 06/17/2007 11:52:39 AM PDT by Graybeard58
My friend's son is moving back home. He is in debt, his mother says. "Up to his eyebrows."
Well, join the club.
Most Americans today carry about $8,000 in credit card debt, which sounds like peanuts to some of us out here, staggering under far more. Lots of this debt goes to all the doo-dads and gee-gaws that we once considered luxuries and now view as staples. But more, far more of that debt is going toward the very lubricant that Americans have been indoctrinated into believing will grease the economic ladder for them: Education.
Education, which Thomas Jefferson once proclaimed as the "great equalizer of the conditions of men," has become the great albatross of the working class. The difference between what a high school student can hope to earn today versus what a college student earns is the difference between Dinty Moore beef stew and bouillabaisse.
A college graduate earns almost twice as much as a high school graduate over his or her lifetime, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Add to that the attendant social and cultural benefits (college graduates tend to vote, read and attend cultural events), to say nothing of the soupcon of wisdom that students might inhale, and you've got a time-tested vehicle for success.
Here's the catch: You have to be as rich as Croesus to afford it. Either that, or you have to embrace indentured servitude. The average cost of a four-year private institution is $22,218 a year this year, an increase of almost 6 percent over last year, reports the College Board. The organization adds that tuition will increase an average of 10 percent each year for public schools and 6 percent for private ones.
College tuition has grown faster than family income for the past 15 years but that hasn't stopped families from doing whatever they can to get their progeny into the higher halls of academia. It is a tragic equation that is tearing at the middle class, leaving it caught between a rock and a hard place: Throw your children to the demons of debt or consign them to a life of dead-end jobs and missed opportunities.
The worst of it is that we are living shoulder-to-shoulder with what USA Today calls "the wealthiest generation in American history." The problem, if you could call it that, is that the people grabbing that wealth are typically over 55. Wealth for older families has actually doubled since 1989. For those 35 to 50, wealth has shrunk. They cannot manage to save and they are smothered by debt.
I graduated from college in 1984 with a debt I then considered crushing: $10,000. For 10 years, I sent little paper stubs of $117 a month off to Wachovia Bank in North Carolina. That seems like chicken feed now, but, remember, I was working in newspapers. Chicken feed is what they pay you.
Today, the average college student is graduating with more than $19,000 in debt, if they're lucky. Go to a "good" (i.e. expensive) college, and it's worse. USA Today reports on students who have six-figure debt, like Rutgers University graduate Joe Palazzolo, who graduated this year with a master's degree in public policy and student loans of more than $116,000. (That's an $800 monthly payment).
College costs will continue to accelerate, and you don't have to have a college degree to figure out why. There's a huge demographic bubble of kids in the college-age group, so it's a buyer's market from a college's perspective.
To make themselves attractive to students, they add fripperies like spas and widespread Internet access, to say nothing of trendy coffee shops, rock-climbing walls, state-of-the-art health clubs and princely dining halls. The University of Vermont recently spent nearly $100 million on student amenities, including an artificial skating pond. Boston University upped the ante with six racquetball and squash courts, a competition pool, a recreational pool, two gyms, a jogging track and a 35-foot rock-climbing wall.
Washington State University boasts the largest student weight and cardiovascular center in the country, a natatorium that features a leisure pool with a water volleyball net and water spa that can accommodate more than 50 people. Ohio State University's $140 million gym includes a natatorium with five pools and two spas, golf hitting stations with putting greens
What, you may ask, does this have to do with Plato?
Ah, but you would have to be a college graduate to answer that.
And that would cost a lot of dough.
Georgia State, York University (Canada), University of Texas at Dallas. I paid as I went, occasionally using the GI Bill, working full time and never went into educational debt.
Putting your kids in college right out of high school is only one possible way of them getting a piece of paper to hang on the wall that says they know how to use a library.
But, but but --Bill Clinton said --Everyone that wants to go, should be able to to college....
AND- I think they are already by what I see/hear....
” 73 year old who hopes to pass the high school exit exam so he can get married and join the army.’
LOL
Would that be the 2nd Geriatric Corps?
Also read through this link to find many more thrifty ways of educating yourself or children for cheaper.
Gary North link.
http://www.lowestcostcolleges.com/
took me TEN years to pay off my student loans... i have NO pity for them.
As colleges become increasing more female-dominated and many of those women still wind up being child-bearers and raisers, I question just how important a college degree is for some of them. Are they just trying to land a college-educated man or are they actually intending to use their degrees for some job in the real world?
Yes, some women obviously do - either by desire or necessity. But I know all sorts of women who went through college and are doing nothing that would justify the debt of going off to college.
My belief is that you shouldn’t attend college nowadays unless you know what sort of degree you are looking for and intend to benefit from.
Have no fear, the government is here to help. They are looking at forcing divorced parents to pay.
As my ancestral Irish mother said, if you can't pay for it in cash, then you dont't need it. That advice has never failed me.
Worth zilch in terms of ability to perform on the job, but increasingly necessary to even get in the door for an interview.
Employers don't want lazy, surly slobs who can barely read. Screening for that on your own is an assault on diversity (which is our strength) that will get the EEOC on your neck. So instead you make up an unrelated BA requirement and let the college system do that screening for you.
“Of course, the next step is govt sponsorshop of all college education, followed by govt jobs for the vast majority of graduates who have no discernable skill...”
This, of course, is where we get our brainless federal bureaucrats, excluding those involved in national security. They are completely counterintuitive, contribute nothing to society and needlessly harass productive businesses and citizens, all the while worshipping their god - the Marxist state - and molding society to serve big government.
I believe the founders completely covered the nature of the government leech in the Declaration of Independence.
“They are looking at forcing divorced parents to pay.”
They already do in most states.
If you are divorced parents, you have no choice about paying for your children’s college education.
You HAVE to pay for it.
That is strange. Once a kid is eighteen, their claim on their parent’s should be zero.
The average college student will spend more than that on their first car.
Or buy a junker as most of us did. Kids today spend more money in iPods and other crap than they do on anything substantial. I rode a bicycle between classes and the dorm.
The only debt my wife and I ever had were school loans and a mortgage. Then again, 40 years ago the instant-gratification generation hadn't been born.
And to those with an $8k balance at 21% APR... F-'em if they're too stooopid to figger it out.
I agree, with two exceptions-
1) If the divorcing couple make an agreement to pay for college, that is a contract and it should be enforced.
2) Children should be penilized because back when they were five, their parents decided to hold them back from kindergarten so that they would be the biggest kid in class next year. Given that and other state kids requiring to be at least five at the start of kindergarten, you have many kids who will turn 18 shortly before or at the beginning of their senior year of high school.
God forbid the lil'darlings should have to pay their own way in the world... just one MORE way to squeeze dear old dad.
I had no debts when I graduated college in 1979. My father bought 100 shares of General Motors stock when I was a toddler under a state law that exempted it from taxes until I turned 18. The stocks were sold when I turned 18 and the dividends plus the stock sale paid for two years of college at a state university. The other two years were paid for through my hard work, social security payments (my father died during my junior year) and some scholarship money.
The following are Fortune 500s that filed briefs in favor of “affirmative action” in the Michigan “Grutter v. Bollinger” (Michigan University) case.
http://www.umich.edu/~urel/admissions/legal/gru_amicus/32_internatl.pdf
3M
Abbott Laboratories
American Airlines
Ashland
Bank One
Boeing
Coca-Cola
Dow Chemical
E.I. Du Pont De Nemours
Eastman Kodak
Eli Lilly
Ernst & Young
Exelon
Fannie Mae
General Dynamics
General Mills
Intel
Johnson & Johnson
Kellogg
KPMG
Lucent Technologies
Microsoft
Mitsubishi
Nationwide Mutual Insurance
Nationwide Financial
Pfizer
PPG
Proctor & Gamble
Sara Lee
Steelcase
Texaco
TRW
United Airlines
General Motors Corporation
http://www.umich.edu/~urel/admissions/legal/gru_amicus/gru_gm.html
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