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I had my share of raised red whelts and I survived and learned a lesson. A difference in beating and spanking, bruises and red whelts.
1 posted on 06/17/2007 7:28:41 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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“If a mom whips a kid with a belt, and the kid says it happened and the mom says it happened but there are no marks, then that’s enough for (police) to substantiate inappropriate discipline, but not enough for us to file charges,” she said.

What the hell are these people smoking?! My old man's belt was the guardian of Western civilization around our house in his day, and he taught me there are things you just Do Not Do.

But no, let's wait, and go soft, and let the cops pick these kids up on misdemeanor charges 15 years later. I'm sure criminal records will be better for them than a good belt-assisted butt-warming or two when they're still young enough for the lesson to take.

2 posted on 06/17/2007 7:35:13 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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spare the rod and spoil the child.

(now some would say that that is a nazi-like point of view and that the municipality is morally superior to a cowardly father who “beats” his children and probably abuses his wife.)


3 posted on 06/17/2007 7:35:54 AM PDT by ripley
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Wow, my father would still be in prison if they arrested you for spanking with a belt when I was growing up. My father had this “skinny” alligator belt and man did it hurt! Of course there were also the “switches” which we were required to go pick before our punishment was rendered. I had 4 brothers and there was no need to trim the hedges in our backyard because they were always picked clean!


4 posted on 06/17/2007 7:41:25 AM PDT by martinidon
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Everybody is a criminal these days.


6 posted on 06/17/2007 7:44:02 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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As long as the “marks” are on his butt and the skin is not broken.....there is no abuse, IMHO.


8 posted on 06/17/2007 7:48:29 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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Absolutely insane.

However, if I had a case of “deliberately breaking a toy” from a 7-year-old (which I’m sure I have!), I’d refuse to replace the toy and select several others to give to the poor. Longer-term impact than a spanking, AND gets some clutter out of the house.

On a totally different point, I wonder if this child’s parents are married?


9 posted on 06/17/2007 7:48:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.)
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Belts, fly swats, hair brushes, you name it. I turned out fine.

Looking at kids now days, there needs to be a whole lot more spankings doled out.


10 posted on 06/17/2007 7:51:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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13 posted on 06/17/2007 7:58:09 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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Obviously the father should have reasoned with the seven year old and negotiated an appropriate punishment that falls into the nanny state rules of ‘It takes a Village’ handbook as to not damage his developing socialist mentality


15 posted on 06/17/2007 8:00:04 AM PDT by JZoback (Grandma Pelosi will give milk and cookies to Osama and he will be a good boy !!!)
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My mom used a wooden spoon as my little bad ass, then she hung in on the wall in the kitchen. when I misbehaved, she needed only to point to it. I got the message.


16 posted on 06/17/2007 8:00:27 AM PDT by montag813
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Sheesh! My 9th grade Algebra teacher had a frat paddle with big holes drilled in it. It left red welts with flesh pink polkadots! I caught that thing with my butt several times!


17 posted on 06/17/2007 8:02:34 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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My wife used a wooden spoon. I used my hand, but I made them come to me to get it. I never went to get them,I called them and made them come to get it. Unless it was a major violation, only one swat. If they didnt come I waited till later when they forgot and they got double. They knew they were going to pay.


23 posted on 06/17/2007 8:13:52 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (http://www.imwithfred.com/index.aspx)
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Officers, however, arrested Haycraft after seeing a raised, red welt on the boy’s buttocks.

I agree with the arrest.

25 posted on 06/17/2007 8:23:14 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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If the mother thought the situation warranted bringing in the police, then I’ll take her word for it.


27 posted on 06/17/2007 8:26:22 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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We have been teaching our congregation here with regard to biblical discipline, and this article will be used as an illustration of what we have been telling them is happening in the USA.

Pr 20:30 - The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

“The blueness of the wound” refers to a bruise which may sometimes occur when using the rod on the buttocks or the meaty part of the back of the thigh. “Stripes,” of course, include those red welts.

This would make many American pastors diminish their teaching on child discipline. It will make us intensify ours.

28 posted on 06/17/2007 8:27:55 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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Well, I’m in at about 24 posts, and almost every one of them includes a reference to getting spanked at some time in their early lives. All turned out OK, and (at least in regards to participants in this thread) all turned out conservative.

Could that be part of what separates us from Dhimmis? Do libs share this experience or is it part of the fundamental breakdown in child development that twists libs into such rudderless “moral” relativists?


33 posted on 06/17/2007 8:32:32 AM PDT by rockrr (09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0)
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This marriage is doomed. Calling the cops on your husband under the guise of concern for a child who obviously will be fine ... wow, that must qualify for the textbooks.

Passive aggressive from hell.


36 posted on 06/17/2007 8:39:55 AM PDT by freespirited
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My old man had a special way of holding his belt for maximum effectiveness raised a few good welts but I lived. Now that he’s gone I realized I never had a chance to thank him for keeping me on the path.

People today can’t tell the difference between discipline and cruelty.

42 posted on 06/17/2007 8:59:30 AM PDT by Taichi (Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse)
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I am one of seven kids and all of the boys took that trip with dad down to the basement.

For some reason us girls were excluded from that form of punishment.

I asked dad after I had grown up and he told me, he never hit us girls because he never wanted the boys to think it was okay to hit any female regardless of her age.

44 posted on 06/17/2007 9:08:10 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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Welcome to the nanny states of America.

I hated it when I heard my dads web welt coming out but I what I hated worse was to see him with a Barbers strapping belt that hurt worse but I deserved it. When I got a licking I kept on ticken and no I am not a Timex.


45 posted on 06/17/2007 9:09:18 AM PDT by Shots (If you see Known Illegal Immigrants it is your civic duty to report them)
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