1 posted on
06/16/2007 4:26:41 PM PDT by
Frobenius
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To: Frobenius
If we did that, Hillary would win. She's counting on a "third party" to divide the vote. No, better we hit the Republicans hard in the primary and use that to throw out the trash. I suggest we run our own candidate. Who that is, is up for debate.
89 posted on
06/16/2007 7:13:41 PM PDT by
pray4liberty
(Proud Coast Guard Wife)
To: Frobenius
I understand the feeling. The president has abandoned his own party in favor of illegal immigrants.
What to do? I have no good ideas right now.
90 posted on
06/16/2007 7:15:21 PM PDT by
LibKill
("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
To: Frobenius
2008 Third Party = President Hillary Rodham Clinton.
A previous Third Party thanks to Ross Perot =’d President William Jefferson Clinton.
I’m not going there. Are you? (Hint: Don’t be stupid.)
91 posted on
06/16/2007 7:16:18 PM PDT by
Diana in Wisconsin
(Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
To: Frobenius
Two words, Ross Perot.
Two more words, Bill Clinton.
And I'm not happy about having to point that out.
92 posted on
06/16/2007 7:18:25 PM PDT by
Doctor Raoul
(What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
To: Frobenius
Roberts and Aleito. Is anything else important?
94 posted on
06/16/2007 7:31:10 PM PDT by
Phlap
(REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
To: Frobenius
The sucking sound is generally from the woman Clinton never met.
96 posted on
06/16/2007 7:32:58 PM PDT by
festus
(The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
To: Frobenius
We have the government we allow and deserve.
98 posted on
06/16/2007 7:36:59 PM PDT by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: Frobenius
I think it's time to go guerrilla. Here in Washington State, the Republican party is about as dead as a party can be. Since we're in a de-facto one-party state anyway, my plan is to register as a Democrat (the thought makes me sick, but sacrifices must be made) and do what I can to advance the most radical, unelectable candidates available.
Then in the general election, I can vote for the more conservative candidates.
To: Frobenius
OK, now tell us what a “real” Conservative is. That has to be someone who agrees with every position that every Conservative holds.
There has to be 100% agreement on abortion laws (not just pro-life position); immigration laws (no disagreement at all over nuances about guest workers or standards for new immigrants, or whether we even accept any more); tax codes; foreign policy - including Iraq; tax code; environment; racial and gender issues, etc.
And if you add up all the people who are in total agreement on all issues, how many people do you have? Maybe 1,000, half of whom don’t vote?
To: Frobenius
Golly, I heard this idea before somewhere. Now where...where??? It’ll come to me, I know it will.
103 posted on
06/16/2007 8:07:18 PM PDT by
TAdams8591
( Guilaini is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
To: Frobenius
We don’t need to abandon the GOP ship. We just need to throw the pirates overboard by not paying a dime to any level GOP organization until we force new leadership into place.
For now, bail and pray. DON’T ABANDON SHIP!
104 posted on
06/16/2007 8:14:54 PM PDT by
The Spirit Of Allegiance
(Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
To: Frobenius
"Giant Sucking Sound"I'll say....
To: Frobenius
I think it's kind of a leap too far to be thinking third party.
A question to ask first might be, how on earth does the Repub party end up nominating so many turkeys to the Senate and House, governors, and so on. Where do these turkeys get their funding? These guys are the best we got? In their entire states? Specter? Hagel? McCain? Lott?
My guess is, there is some kind of weird fix going on within the party, at a very high level. Look at the example of Pres. Bush backing Specter over Toomey. That was a really weird, weird fix. The claim of "going with the guy who has seniority" does not even begin to explain it. Specter has never been reliable or even sane.
And I doubt that this is something that can be solved by "giving more money" or "getting more involved." Ordinary people will never have the means to even remotely approach the level of inside-the-empire access to find out the stuff that drives a decision such as to throw Presidential weight behind a Specter instead of a Toomey, that kind of a fix. We'll just never have any idea of what goes into it, we just have our faces pressed up against the glass, trying to figure out what's going on in the Big Massa's house, but permanently locked out. And oh, by the way, don't forget to shove another check in through the slot in the front door, thanks a lot, really, before you go back to looking in the window.
Creating another party would do nothing if we can't even figure out what's wrong with the Republicans, it would (at best) simply reproduce the failures, such as failure to make government smaller, failure to erradicate dysfunctional bureaucracies, and so on.
So I'd suggest we first try to figure out what the blazes is wrong inside the Repub party. Why does it have cancer? Right now we can barely see in the windows, sometimes we see shadows move, that's about all we really know.
To: Frobenius
Why not harness that resource and start our own third party with *REAL* conservative principles. Well, for starters, a FR third party would have the effect of electing Hillary Clinton as president; and, she would waste little time in dismantling Free Republic, and repressing all other forms of dissent.
(Just think of how astoundingly few votes decided the last two presidential elections, and you can visualize a third party splitting the GOP votes into a landslide loss.)
It's no more complicated than that.
119 posted on
06/16/2007 10:16:11 PM PDT by
Seaplaner
(Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
To: Frobenius
Democrats would love nothing MORE than to have us split.
Recall Perot.
127 posted on
06/17/2007 4:21:55 AM PDT by
bannie
To: Frobenius
Democrats would love nothing MORE than to have us split.
Recall Perot.
128 posted on
06/17/2007 4:21:56 AM PDT by
bannie
To: Frobenius
Qualifications: REAL conservative; Clean background; and the ability to clearly Communicate ideas to the American people.
Dammit.
I thought they were kidding when they said my 'permanent record' from Elementary school would haunt me one day.
Oh well, that's what I get for pulling Cathy's pig tails.
133 posted on
06/17/2007 5:45:32 AM PDT by
Condor51
(Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
To: Frobenius
Rather than following the Lil’ General down the path that leads to more Democrats in office, consider that FReepers could be an effective force in removing RINO’s from the Republican Pa attempt, IMHO.rty.
That is less risky than a third party.
135 posted on
06/17/2007 6:07:14 AM PDT by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
To: Frobenius
141 posted on
06/17/2007 8:58:25 AM PDT by
al baby
(Hi mom)
To: Frobenius
I’ve been saying ever since the ‘06 Midterm Elections that it’s time to form The American Conservative Party.
150 posted on
06/17/2007 11:49:58 PM PDT by
no dems
(Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun.)
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