Posted on 06/15/2007 10:38:16 AM PDT by grundle
The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows average SAT scores by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174).
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That’s probably why there are so many objections to “testing” by the educational establishment.
Them as can, do. Them as can’t, teach. *\;-)
In college, the dumbest girls around were Ed. majors.
“Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any major (964)”
There’s something Freudian in there
The worst, most ineffective teachers I ever had were math teachers. (And I'm good in math.)
There are many components that make a good teacher. One of those is "character" and that is not measured by sats.
the surprise meter is failing to register anything
I'd add, "Those that can't write for the [local rag], edit the opinion page".
“The worst, most ineffective teachers I ever had were math teachers. (And I’m good in math.)”
Me too! Math was a jumble until College. At that point, the math tutors were all engineering students who said, “Don’t try to memorize the formulas in the books, just do it this way.”
The short cuts and tips were invaluable. I finally understood.
Math teachers are teaching without understanding the subject. If one doesn’t understand it, one cannot teach it.
They may have the lowest SAT scores, but they lack nothing on the ego front. I have known many “educators” who think that they are the most important people on the face of the Earth, even though there are worms with more intelligence and common sense than they have. The professors that run the education schools are even worse, especially if you think you want to go into teaching with anything other than an education degree.
I'd guess that females, in general, have lower SAT scores than men, in general. As the majority of ed students are female, I'd guess that would lower the average.
I perused my sister’s books while she was in teacher college. What a load. And for just $10k/yr (back in the day).
Point taken, but there are notable exceptions, like Aristotle and Aquinas.
Again, no suprise. When I went back to school in the early 70s the inept, unmotivated and those who just did not want to put in the hard work went to the teacher’s college. It was a joke then except that those went to teacher’s college then are now the educational decision makers.
I think the numbers mean that non-teaching pure math majors have the highest SAT score while ed majors (math or otherwise) are the lowest.
It’s entirely possible for three-quarters of a group, or more, to be above or below the average for that group.
Them as can’t teach, teach gym.
Unfortunately, to get a teaching certificate in my state, you have to slog through the 2 year education program. I was dumb enough to actually want to be a teacher in my younger days, so I had no choice even though I already had my B.A. in History. I learned enlightening and necessary drivel such as the parts of a film projector (actually had a test on that one), phonics (which vowels are long and short...something I had learned in 3rd grade), and a early childhood development which gave the professor an excuse to talk about sex (something else I already knew about, thank you.) Complete waste of time and money. Could have been teaching history for two years instead of languishing in the educational pit.
No wonder our kids are dumb as sticks. Their teachers have been brainwashed by this nonsense and are incapable of really teaching anything of value.
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