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Educational ineptitude, Cont'd [Education majors have the lowest SAT scores of any college major]
jewishworldreview.com ^ | May 19, 2004 | Walter Williams

Posted on 06/15/2007 10:38:16 AM PDT by grundle

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows average SAT scores by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174).

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1 posted on 06/15/2007 10:38:17 AM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

That’s probably why there are so many objections to “testing” by the educational establishment.


2 posted on 06/15/2007 10:40:17 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: grundle

Them as can, do. Them as can’t, teach. *\;-)


3 posted on 06/15/2007 10:40:37 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: grundle
Hasn’t that always been the case? I remember looking at a directory of Colleges back in the mid-70s, and the Teachers Colleges ALL had the lowest average SAT scores.
4 posted on 06/15/2007 10:41:03 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: grundle

In college, the dumbest girls around were Ed. majors.


5 posted on 06/15/2007 10:41:15 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: grundle

“Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any major (964)”

There’s something Freudian in there


6 posted on 06/15/2007 10:42:25 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: grundle
Math majors have the highest (1174).

The worst, most ineffective teachers I ever had were math teachers. (And I'm good in math.)

There are many components that make a good teacher. One of those is "character" and that is not measured by sats.

7 posted on 06/15/2007 10:46:29 AM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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I’m actually had a teacher who complained to me that three-quarters of teachers were below average. My response was only that I woundn’t have put it much below half.
8 posted on 06/15/2007 10:52:32 AM PDT by NYFriend
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To: grundle

the surprise meter is failing to register anything


9 posted on 06/15/2007 10:55:03 AM PDT by xp38
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To: sionnsar
I think it's "Those than can, do. Those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach, write. Those that can't write, write for [insert local publication]".

I'd add, "Those that can't write for the [local rag], edit the opinion page".

10 posted on 06/15/2007 10:58:31 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Sleeping Beauty

“The worst, most ineffective teachers I ever had were math teachers. (And I’m good in math.)”

Me too! Math was a jumble until College. At that point, the math tutors were all engineering students who said, “Don’t try to memorize the formulas in the books, just do it this way.”

The short cuts and tips were invaluable. I finally understood.

Math teachers are teaching without understanding the subject. If one doesn’t understand it, one cannot teach it.


11 posted on 06/15/2007 10:58:36 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: grundle

They may have the lowest SAT scores, but they lack nothing on the ego front. I have known many “educators” who think that they are the most important people on the face of the Earth, even though there are worms with more intelligence and common sense than they have. The professors that run the education schools are even worse, especially if you think you want to go into teaching with anything other than an education degree.


12 posted on 06/15/2007 10:59:54 AM PDT by yawningotter
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To: glorgau
That’s probably why there are so many objections to “testing” by the educational establishment.

I'd guess that females, in general, have lower SAT scores than men, in general. As the majority of ed students are female, I'd guess that would lower the average.

13 posted on 06/15/2007 11:02:18 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: grundle

I perused my sister’s books while she was in teacher college. What a load. And for just $10k/yr (back in the day).


14 posted on 06/15/2007 11:08:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: sionnsar
Them as can, do. Them as can’t, teach. *\;-)

Point taken, but there are notable exceptions, like Aristotle and Aquinas.

15 posted on 06/15/2007 11:09:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: grundle

Again, no suprise. When I went back to school in the early 70s the inept, unmotivated and those who just did not want to put in the hard work went to the teacher’s college. It was a joke then except that those went to teacher’s college then are now the educational decision makers.


16 posted on 06/15/2007 11:10:24 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Sleeping Beauty

I think the numbers mean that non-teaching pure math majors have the highest SAT score while ed majors (math or otherwise) are the lowest.


17 posted on 06/15/2007 11:11:59 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: NYFriend

It’s entirely possible for three-quarters of a group, or more, to be above or below the average for that group.


18 posted on 06/15/2007 11:23:52 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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To: sionnsar

Them as can’t teach, teach gym.


19 posted on 06/15/2007 11:25:18 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: grundle

Unfortunately, to get a teaching certificate in my state, you have to slog through the 2 year education program. I was dumb enough to actually want to be a teacher in my younger days, so I had no choice even though I already had my B.A. in History. I learned enlightening and necessary drivel such as the parts of a film projector (actually had a test on that one), phonics (which vowels are long and short...something I had learned in 3rd grade), and a early childhood development which gave the professor an excuse to talk about sex (something else I already knew about, thank you.) Complete waste of time and money. Could have been teaching history for two years instead of languishing in the educational pit.

No wonder our kids are dumb as sticks. Their teachers have been brainwashed by this nonsense and are incapable of really teaching anything of value.


20 posted on 06/15/2007 11:25:45 AM PDT by AnnGora (E-Harmony.com reject)
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