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1 posted on 06/14/2007 2:15:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 06/14/2007 2:16:25 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

If you lay down with dogs, you’re going to get fleas. Why anyone would trust muslims is beyond me.


3 posted on 06/14/2007 2:25:18 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: neverdem

bump


4 posted on 06/14/2007 2:26:30 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: neverdem

The talking idiots at CNN and other MSM outlets must be even more frustrating for brilliant people like VDH who actually KNOW something.


6 posted on 06/14/2007 2:32:12 PM PDT by The Blitherer (These are not dark days; these are great days - the greatest days our country has ever lived. -WSC)
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To: neverdem
There is a book (now available in paperback ):

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Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left
(Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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And reviews:

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Editorial Reviews

Rich Lowry, Editor National Review

David Horowitz is synonymous with pyrotechnics. A historian and polemicist of the first order, he is paid the ultimate compliment --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

Davis Hanson, Author, Ripples of Battle

An original look at those who want us to fail in the Middle East, both at home and abroad. The --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

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See all Editorial Reviews

Fascinating Analysis of Leftist Goals, August 13, 2006

Reviewer: N. Sincerity - See all my reviews

A former 1960s radical, Horowitz is well-acquainted with the Leftist mindset. In this book, he strives to explain the modern alliance between left wing progressivists and radical Islamofascists. He argues that this alliance is based on a common desire to destroy Western capitalism. Leftist sympathy with Islamofascist ideas makes no sense from an intellectual point of view, given that countries ruled by radical Islamists are among the most racist, sexist, theocratic states in the world today. However, Leftists have recognized that they can benefit politically from destructive terrorist attacks on the Western world. A West under attack can be made to turn on its leaders in fear and desperation (as they did in Spain after the Madrid train bombings). Only once people reject current government structures can the Left execute its anti-capitalist revolution and build a new reality that mirrors the Leftist view of utopia.

The complete and utter idealogical hypocrisy of the Islamofascist-Leftist alliance is distressing, but as Horowitz reminds us,

Leftists radicals truly believe the ends justify the means.

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7 posted on 06/14/2007 2:45:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: neverdem

Spot on.

And I can relate to the disgust I feel when trapped in any public place with CNN on, watching the bobbing heads in agreement around me.

I’m sure they will find a way to blame us for any and all of it.


8 posted on 06/14/2007 2:46:10 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: neverdem; SandRat; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; blam; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Allegra; ..

Damn leftists....


9 posted on 06/14/2007 2:46:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: neverdem
It might be unchristian to say so, but....

If a bunch head chopping terrorists are hell bent on killing each other, then I say let em go at it.

If we were smart, we'd sell arms to both sides.
10 posted on 06/14/2007 2:50:17 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: neverdem

Liberals live in an alternative universe. An objective observer might say that the various Palestinian factions are to blame.


12 posted on 06/14/2007 2:56:40 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: neverdem
Vic would be amazed at what we can learn after staying away from television garbage and rhetoric addiction for a time. Obfuscations begin to look surprisingly weak, and we begin to avoid candidates whose records conflict with their speech.

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

Bush on Israel: Heartburn for All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844641/posts

President Abbas asks Congress help to release PNA funds withheld by Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844647/posts

Bush releases money to Abbas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844646/posts

Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1733397/posts

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts

2004 Republican Party Platform
(see the info about our Jerusalem)
http://www.gop.com/media/2004platform.pdf

US pressure prompts delay of [Israel’s] offensive (”We do not want escalations” - White House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1680983/posts

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts

Israel Asks U.S. to Ship Rockets With Wide Blast - State Department seeks to delay supply
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681771/posts

US, Europe to shun Jerusalem Day celebrations
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1832905/posts

After 40 Years, U.S. Avoids Jerusalem Reunification Day
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1832955/posts

13 posted on 06/14/2007 3:14:44 PM PDT by familyop
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To: neverdem

Far worse on PBS—National Pubic radio and we pay for it!


15 posted on 06/14/2007 3:38:14 PM PDT by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: neverdem

I like to use the law of Occam’s razor on the mideast problem. Which is of course an islamic problem. Maybe the underlying main problem is that most of the people causing the stupid, violent problems are violent and stupid. And maybe their religion helps make them that way. Or is that just a flip judgment?


17 posted on 06/14/2007 5:57:01 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: neverdem
“Gaza — It’s All Our Fault - Blaming America on CNN is all the rage.”

No, it’s Israel’s fault for confining the Pallies by building their security fence.

Now the Pallies are like rats trapped in a coffee can; the only thing they know how to do is kill people, and the only people around are themselves, sooooo....

18 posted on 06/14/2007 6:02:55 PM PDT by decal (Sign over DNC headquarters: Please Check Common Sense And Morals At The Door)
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http://laotze.blogspot.com/2007/05/al-gores-global-assault-on-dignity-last.html


19 posted on 06/14/2007 8:38:02 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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Thanks E.


20 posted on 06/14/2007 10:38:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: neverdem
Hmmm, let me get this straight, the muslims alledgedly hate each other and kill each other in greater numbers( i.e. Iran? Iraq war, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt...etc).

Hamas is killing the Fatah and it's all America and the Jooos fault

Al Fatah is holed up in a palestinian refuge camp in Lebanon and the Lebanese backed Hizbollah meatheads slam the cr*p out of the camp and it's all America and the jooos fault.

Syria is awaiting for the jooos to retaliate because they now have warheads with gas locked and loaded ....at the joooos.

Iraq is mostly the American's fault but it's most probably them nasty jooos too.

Iran is planning to bomb the jooos into oblivion, dumping men and weapons over their borders to kill Americans in Iraq/ Afghanistan and what's left of our weak kneed allies. And the world goes shopping.

The fight stretches from the Philipines to Europe....when WILL THEY WAKE UP?

Our own courts and the laws being passed regarding hate speech are being reworded for the muslims...the religion of lies, no peace,and all out war and aggression on any religion aside from their own....and the jooos( of which I am a messianic Jooo)

Russia is begging to get in the fray as their allies and supply routes end up in Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Tunesia, Northern India, etc.... Despite the name change Putin is still KGB...

I'm certain I've missed a hundred items, but this summer is going to be bloody. One step closer to Ezekial ch 38, 39.

So why is the world so silent? Why are we rushing to such extremes and allowing the escalation of full scale war while the talking heads rationalize dumb rhetoric? I will NOT walk silently to the gas chambers as my relatives did. This is bigger than the world now. This is their god vs YHVH ! But until that time comes stand ready fellow infidels because a "....Hard rain is gonna fall..." ( Bob Dylan)

21 posted on 06/15/2007 7:05:44 AM PDT by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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22 posted on 06/18/2007 12:20:07 PM PDT by Tolik
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from here: http://victordavishanson.pajamasmedia.com/2007/06/16/crazy_world.php

Bakerism

The solution we adopted for Gaza? Pressure Israel to make “concessions” to give Fatah symbolic stature to allow it some legitimacy to outscore Hamas. But Fatah has no stature because it was always a whiny plutocracy (cf. those hilltop mansions on the West Bank, thanks to Western bribes and “aid”). We were told that Fatah, a corrupt has-been of aging terrorists, was preferable to younger, purer, Islamic jihadists like Hamas—never realizing that because it was marginally “better” did not make it anything near “good”, in the sense that Mussolini’s fascism was not as bad as Hitler’s Nazism. Note again that none of the Iraqi war critics will apply their own nomenclature to this mess—like “civil war” or “hopeless.”

Can’t be True.

Hamas has a “military wing,” the Izz el-Din al-Qassam Brigades? I thought Hamas itself was the militant wing of the Palestinians? Can a militant wing have a militant wing? Apparently in the way a terrorist clique like Fatah can be threatened by a terrorist clique like Hamas to the point of now becoming “moderate”.

As they loot and kill in Gaza, someone no doubt will (a) now at least assure us this is a civil war, (b) that it took place because someone disbanded the … what? Palestinian authority?

Hamas apparently has inherited quite a stockpile of American weapons from a now defunct Fatah (cf. the most recent $60 million given by us for “security”)? Apparently we thought that if we poured diesel, rather than gasoline, into the conflagration it would not fuel the flames.

Our policy?

The Palestinians have bisected their country for us. The overcrowded, filthy and desolate Gaza is to be the Islamic republic of Hamas, while the larger, less miserable West Bank goes to what’s left of Fatah. We will apparently deal with Fatah West Bank and isolate Hamas Gaza, and this will no doubt by analogy give impetus to those who wish to trisect Iraq. But watch Gaza—it will soon become Afghanistan light, as Iranian and Syrian money pour into it, and Egypt keeps clear and smiles at the ensuing blood sport with Israel.

And why should Hamas be content with miserable Gaza when the losers may keep losing?

Remember Hamas’s birth: the swindled Palestinians thought they would send a message to the corrupt Fatah by electing Islamists, some perhaps not quite thinking anyone would allow them to be really governed by such killers. But democracy, even in its reptilian form in Palestine, is unforgiving, and you live with what you vote for.


Anti-Americanism British Style

“Why we must break with the American crazies” or so writes London Times columnist Anatole Kaletsky, who goes on to cry about the old bogeyman of a neo-con conspiracy et al. that has ruined the world in Lebanon, the Middle East, Iran, and Iraq (always wise to blame the US rather than the jihadists who are doing the killing).

But I tend to agree with Kaletsky that some sort of polite distancing is necessary between us and his kindred in the post-Blair era. As we speak, British academics and journalists are boycotting Israel. Apparently such British elites see a culture of murdering and racism preferable to the democracy in Israel.

Note too that a Hamas leader Ghazi Hamad was recently feted in London as the guest of the Guardian and was courted by British elites. That London has entire apartheid communities of angry young Islamists and many of them eligible as British subjects to piggy-back on bilateral transportation agreements to travel into the US, likewise make Kaletsky’s ideas of polite distancing somewhat palatable. Whatever the UK is doing in terms of immigration and integration in London, the US should do exactly the opposite. So who exactly are the real “crazies”?

In my limited experience, most of the animus in the partnership comes from the UK and is a mish-mash of aristocratic disdain for our rabble culture, left-wing anger at our “cutthroat” society, general British angst about loss of empire and envy of the US, and special furor with the Texan, bible-quoting George ‘smoke-em out’ Bush. Whether Mr. Kaletsky likes it or not, a new neo-isolation is coming, and the next time the UK and Europe have a crisis—remember the litany from the Falklands to Soviet nuclear tipped tactical missiles to Milosevic killing thousands a few hours from European capitals—I doubt there will be any American public support for much of any US intervention.

And we know now the default British position when pressed: cf. the EU3 collapse in talks with Iran; or the British response to the Iranian piratical attack on its gunboat; or the ongoing withdrawal from Iraq. No need for any anger on either side about any of this, just a fact that trashing the US is so commonplace that it has finally hit home with most of us.

I once had dinner with a British officer, and after a pleasant conversation of about 2 hours, I remarked “This is the first time I’ve dined with a Tory and not heard something about “those Jews”. He laughed and said, “The night is still young.”

The Samson Complex

Democrats may well take the Presidency next time. And with both houses of Congress they’ll change course. But what good will all that do if they pull down the house in the process? If Nancy Pelosi triangulates by going to Syria, that does not mean that the Democrats won’t have to deal with a murderous regime in Damascus that interprets such fawning, as we just saw with the latest bombing, as a blank check for more serial murdering in Lebanon?

And when Harry Reid calls commanders in the field “incompetent” (cf. his remarks about Gens. Pace and Petraeus) and the surge a failure before it has fully unfolded, what will that mean when a Democratic Commander-in-Chief might well have to work with that same military to keep us safe? What will they do on the morning after a 9/11 event? Blame whom? The military that will be called on to save us? The CIA and FBI and other intelligence agencies that they claim trampled our freedoms?


Imagine

I often think had Scooter Libby, like Richard Armitage (who really did disclose the non-covert status of Valerie Plame) just been a Hamlet-like figure—voicing tortuous doubts about the war, and upon leaving the administration, castigating those who did not listen to his wisdom—he would have been free of his relentless Inspector Javert.

And had Paul Wolfowitz likewise had a change of heart and “deplored” the war, would the Euros on the World Bank really have gone after him for supposedly icing a good deal for a girlfriend?

In contrast, had pro-war Joe Wilson come back from Niger claiming that Saddam really was interested in yellow-cake (and he, in fact, was), and then lied on the pages of the NY Times, while his newly converted neocon wife claimed she was outed by a war critic, would either be current popular victims?

 

23 posted on 06/18/2007 12:22:18 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: neverdem

In Gaza it’s our fault because we have not been involved sufficiently.....

In Iraq, it’s our fault because we have been overly involved.......


24 posted on 06/18/2007 12:31:26 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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27 posted on 06/18/2007 12:51:49 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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