Posted on 06/13/2007 11:50:20 AM PDT by jhs80
As I watch this, my own concern is that Americans themselves have lost belief and confidence in self government. For instance, I wonder why it is that there is any need for Minutemen, anymore. Having been shown how, why is it that residents of the border states don’t enforce their own borders without them? Alll they do is whine about the feds.
Buenos Dias from Mexico. GOOD POINT. The infrastructure and sharing information in Mexico really is behind, and it would ALL so difficult to do background checks, especially if they are using an alias or fraudulent name and stealing I.D. BOY...do I know this happens...
Juan Pena married Maria Jesus only to find out he was really Enrique and was wanted for violent crimes in Queretaro. Just go down and tell people your momma and daddy never registered you, pick a name and date and start all over. Use those legal documents you get at the BANK and Bingo.
NYET...no background records are on computerized on line like in the ole USA.
Send em all back, we need them here and they’ll bring money, it would be good for the Dad’s to be back home with their teen age boys. THIS is the slant MSM and even FR has missed. The impact on nuclear families of kids growing up with no male figure..just grandma and a single love starved mom.
Don’t send them back with AIDS, as this has happened SO MANY times we have Indigenous villages now infected wth AIDS and no one has medical facilities to know how it is diagnosed or treated.
Send em home. Do us all a favor. Adios
Too many sweeping generalizations for me. What is your responsibility to comply with the law?
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‘I agree with you. Very few businesses can actually use these people, and big corps don’t think it is worth the risk, as they have deep pockets. Most of these people are off the books self-employed.’
Yep.
‘While I think you have a reasonable point about making sure that ones claims are backed up, there certainly are at least some businesses (particularly in agriculture) that want this.”
No disputing that ‘some’ do, but its not the epidemic the media and some politicians are claiming.
‘I’m not buying the ‘business wants this’ argument for the simply reason I’ve never read of a single business that supports it.
Tyson, for one. ‘
Combining every corporate entity thats been shown to be using illegals routinely, its a microscopic percentage of the whole.
That contradicts the MSM and the politicians.
Which law? Privacy act? EEO act? Immigration laws? Bureaucratic regs? I have no sympathy for these companies, but this is being driven by the customers.
‘Same gig, and I’m not buyin’ it either, Badeye. It’s a bogus argument, but it leaves the question - why-in-hell is Bush pushing so hard?’
I have no idea why the President is pushing this thing so hard, given the obvious flaws, and the general publics distrust of the Federal Govenrment to enforce the laws or secure the border. Bush’s second term has been a HUGE disappointment to me.
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Got it and responded.
Yep, there are a few, a relative few.
But its not the gigantic ‘problem’ some make it out to be.
I live in a lawn service neighborhood. I’m one of the very few residents who actually own and use a lawnmower. Everyone else pays someone else to do it. I have noted that, this year, most of the crews on the trucks are Mexicans, often times including the boss/driver.
As an aside, I believe that LaRaza and the “caliphate” have a lot in common as regards the US and it ain’t good.
No disputing what you say here. Its just not the problem some pretend it is, for whatever reason.
And you might have a point about La Raza.
I am SO disappointed in Kyl!!! Sen. Kyl....NEVER co-sign a bill with a KENNEDY....NEVER!!!
You will be looking for work, soon. Or, in jail. Watch out. Your use of the term professional is not any I recognize.
Certainly a move to increase the power of the federal government has been central to Democrat ideas. The chief means has been the witholding of income taxes. The second has been the network news which focuses attention on NYC and Washington seeking to defy the “all politics is local” truism With all eyes on DC and its big pot of money, local government goes on mostly unobserved. I think pressure group politics is a shadow government we neither elect or control.
I neither sanctioned this nor do I participate in it. I merely report what I saw. You make too many assumptions.
Illegals are a pain in the ass, but employers want them because they get the same output every day of the week, every week of the year. Yankee workers call in sick on Monday and Friday, have their P.O. appointments during work hours, and like to organize unions or file for workers compensation. Illegals don’t. The wage rates tend to be the same, but actual labor costs differ.
This question haunts me. Too many of us have not been vigilant enough in defending that which makes America the greatest country on earth. We take our blessings for granted and complain feebly when our legislators let us down.
I know many people who agree with me about immigration. I am among the distinct minority of those who have bothered to donate to organizations who share my view, or who have contacted politicians. Those of us who care have to increase our efforts, and we cannot rest even if by some miracle this bill dies.
What is not a “gigantic problem?” The number of illegals? The number of businesses who want amnesty?
I think you are WAY off on this, either way. Every major meat and poultry producer/processor in the US employs illegals and are directly supporting amnesty. Many agriculture businesses employ illegals, and want amnesty. The farmers around here talk a big game about the legal status of their Hispanic employees... but in reality, the proposed amnesty helps them out greatly.
Probably means he was bought off by Saddam Hussein's billions, or maybe even directly by Osama Bin Laden.
We really can't tolerate this guy in a position of authority in this country any longer.
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