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Subject: Chertoff, Kyl, and amnesty
National Review's The Corner ^ | 6/13/07 | Anonymous e-mailer

Posted on 06/13/2007 11:50:20 AM PDT by jhs80

A theory, via e-mail:

Actually, Chertoff said something even more interesting yesterday. A yet unanswered question is “Why is the open borders lobby pushing for amnesty?” After all, they had it pretty good with no federal enforcement.

Chertoff and Kyl both seem to have answered that question recently, Kyl in his Wall Street Journal interview and Chertoff on Fox News yesterday: because businesses are starting to worry about efforts to enforce immigration laws at the local level. One state in the vanguard of that effort is Kyl’s (and McCain’s) home state of Arizona, where the legislature has passed numerous laws (usually vetoed) on the issue, and where the public voted for Prop 200 back in 2004.

To me that says something far more ominous than that Congress is being disingenuous or naïve on the matter. Far from simple being empty promises, this amnesty bill is actually a blatant attempt to head off any attempts at enforcement at all. After all, states and cities can’t deny services or enforce laws against illegals if the government makes them all legal.

And we all know what will happen on the enforcement front: Congress will take out a loan to buy amnesty, promising payment in the form of enforcement. Within weeks, however, Congress will file for moral bankruptcy, and get to keep their amnesty while never paying back a dime's worth of enforcement…

06/13 02:43 PM


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; bushlegacy; chertoff; congress; crimmigration; democrats; edwards; georgebush; gop; highertaxes; hillary; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; johnmccain; kennedy; klintoon; kyl; leftists; liberals; lindseygrahamnesty; obama; pelosi; reid; republicans; senate; vampirebill
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I have suspected as much. The goal of the legislation is to make low-wage laborers untouchable to the law.
1 posted on 06/13/2007 11:50:21 AM PDT by jhs80
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To: jhs80

I’d rather have people like Chertoff calling me a “bigot”, than neighors calling me “gringo”. Or “infadel”.


2 posted on 06/13/2007 11:58:35 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus ("Just remember the words of Patrick Henry - 'Kill me or let me live.'" -- Coach Bill Peterson.)
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To: jhs80

Party members generally gained few advantages over non-Party citizens. Officeholders were more fortunate in this regard. Just as there was a graduated scale of the power to fill office, there was a similar scale regarding access to privileges and to goods that were not widely available. In a deficit economy like that of the Soviet Union, access to scarce goods was a real bonus, and those who held official positions gained such access. The level and range of availability differed according to the level of position one occupied, but because all of the leading positions were determined by the Party, it was the Party that determined who got access to such goods. The Party was thus the key to access to privilege in the Soviet Union.

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3 posted on 06/13/2007 12:00:29 PM PDT by donna (They hand off my culture & citizenship to criminals & then call me racist for objecting?)
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To: jhs80

Why do open border lobbies push for amnesty while borders leak like sieves? (hint: new dem voters)


4 posted on 06/13/2007 12:12:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why do open border lobbies push for amnesty while borders leak like sieves? (hint: new dem voters))
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To: jhs80
Yes, versions of this have been suggested on FR before. The temporary/z visas would appear to stop all efforts for local enforcement or denial of benefits to illegals. All would be legal after the 24 hour period to conduct a background check. That check is impossible within the time frame required and in the volumes predicted. Just like 1986, you will get instant amnesty/legal status and no effective border enforcement.
5 posted on 06/13/2007 12:18:52 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: jhs80

Excellent observation that bears repeating. The growing grassroots movements around the country to crack down on illegal aliens would be nullified to a large extent by legalizing their status. This is no longer a border state problem.


6 posted on 06/13/2007 12:22:31 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Truth29
Who in the heck are they going to check the backgrounds with anyway? Call and ask the local police in Tijuana? Jeez..
7 posted on 06/13/2007 12:54:17 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (GOP (1861-2007))
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To: jhs80

I’m not buying the ‘business wants this’ argument for the simply reason I’ve never read of a single business that supports it.

Never. Anywhere. At any time.

I’m a business owner, with holdings in multiple states. Thats absolutely positively never once come up in any context.

And I’ll note nobody has ever identified a single company that does.

Beware anonymous claims folks. Haven’t the past seven years or so taught us that lesson?


8 posted on 06/13/2007 12:58:04 PM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye

Try the National Chamber of Commere


9 posted on 06/13/2007 1:13:56 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

I’m a member, sorry, no ceegar there to be found.


10 posted on 06/13/2007 1:35:10 PM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye
How about these businesses?
11 posted on 06/13/2007 1:41:51 PM PDT by jhs80
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To: Badeye

I agree with you. Very few businesses can actually use these people, and big corps don’t think it is worth the risk, as they have deep pockets. Most of these people are off the books self-employed.


12 posted on 06/13/2007 7:23:18 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: jhs80; Jim Robinson; kristinn; tgslTakoma; trooprally; Just A Nobody; BufordP; Brad's Gramma; ...

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MUST READING — AND TURN UP THE HEAT, FOLKS!

Is Congress Trying to Dodge a Lawsuit on Immigration? - Vanity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1847293/posts

Senate bill would be the eighth amnesty for illegals in 21 years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1843464/posts

Barbarians at the Gates! Part I
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1841785/posts

Barbarians at the Gates! Part II
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1849240/posts

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13 posted on 06/13/2007 7:39:03 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: devolve; The Spirit Of Allegiance

From another thread; 20 Loopholes in the Immigration Bill

http://www.algop.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=5239


14 posted on 06/13/2007 7:44:19 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: jhs80

the solution...unfortunately appears a lot of work...but beats the alternatives...

http://www.articlev.com/repeal17.htm


15 posted on 06/13/2007 7:45:21 PM PDT by mo
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To: jhs80

Sooo..business is ganging up with the Senate to screw the little guys...well who’da thunk?!!!!!


16 posted on 06/13/2007 7:46:26 PM PDT by mo
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To: Badeye

While I think you have a reasonable point about making sure that ones claims are backed up, there certainly are at least some businesses (particularly in agriculture) that want this.


17 posted on 06/13/2007 7:49:35 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance; jhs80

Thanks for the ping and links. Great post, thanks. BTTT!


18 posted on 06/13/2007 7:49:52 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Thanks......I don’t get Laura Ingraham until evening and just now heard Sen. DeMint on her show who said that we the people need to keep the heat up and on congress.


19 posted on 06/13/2007 7:54:10 PM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

Why do we even need a federal government? I don’t think things are the way they were intended.


20 posted on 06/13/2007 7:54:55 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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