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1 posted on 06/12/2007 4:23:31 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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Wittes, who said he has "no particular enthusiasm for the idea of a gun culture," said that rather than try to limit gun ownership through regulation that potentially violates the Second Amendment, opponents of gun ownership should set their sights on repealing the amendment altogether.

So, because he's obviously an anti-gun pansy and "doesn't like the gun culture", he wants to strip away a true Constitutional right? Simply breathtaking.

33 posted on 06/12/2007 4:58:20 AM PDT by Sister_T (No Amnesty for Illegal, Lawbreaking, Criminal INVADERS!)
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Maybe YOUR society doesn't, bubby, but MY society says different.

34 posted on 06/12/2007 5:02:10 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Speak for yourself pal. And the rest of the liberal socialists.

35 posted on 06/12/2007 5:02:27 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

Nah, it's not "modern society" that's much more ambivalent - it's liberals. Conservatives still believe in the Constitution.

36 posted on 06/12/2007 5:07:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (We are NOT a nation of immigrants, we are a nation of Americans - legal, assimilated and proud-Laney)
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Repeal of the 2nd invalidates the Government. Period.


37 posted on 06/12/2007 5:09:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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The rule of law is gone altogether. The Congress and the president have refused their Constitutional duty to protect us from invasion.

We have open gang warfare in the streets. We might has well have a civil war over the Second Amendment and open borders...


41 posted on 06/12/2007 5:19:40 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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This is refreshing. At least they’re being honest about what the Second Amendment really means, for a change.


42 posted on 06/12/2007 5:21:24 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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"Rather than debating the meaning of the Second Amendment, I think the appropriate debate is whether we want a Second Amendment,"

The Constitutional exercise is the right to own or not to own a weapon. I believe Wittes' debate is a waste of time and breath as I believe the American majority still consider the Constitutional right to bear arms fundamental in their defense of liberty. I do.

44 posted on 06/12/2007 5:22:13 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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Wittes said the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms meant more when it was crafted more than 200 years ago than it does today. Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

I disagree, big time!
The 2nd Amendment is more important today than it ever was.
45 posted on 06/12/2007 5:22:50 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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I always find it amazing that some people want to repeal The Second Amendment because some individuals refuse to exercise that right. Meanwhile, the rest of us who exercise that right daily are at risk of having that right infringed into oblivion. I know a number of people who don't vote, don't monitor politics and who refuse to contact their representatives. Should we repeal The First Amendment because some individuals refuse to exercise it? And, for the record, The Second Amendment requires no participation in any organized or unorganized militia. That first, independent and subordinate clause, "A well regulated militia ..", imposes no restrictions nor any requirements upon "the people" in the bearing of arms.
46 posted on 06/12/2007 5:23:45 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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This guy is more than welcome to come try to take my guns away from me.


52 posted on 06/12/2007 5:34:41 AM PDT by shekkian
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Wittes said the Second Amendment guarantee of the right to bear arms meant more when it was crafted more than 200 years ago than it does today. Modern society is "much more ambivalent than they [the founders] were about whether gun ownership really is fundamental to liberty," he said.

This ignoramus does not understand the context or purpose of the Second Amendment. It is just as valid today as it was 200 years ago!

53 posted on 06/12/2007 5:35:57 AM PDT by olezip
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At least he knows what the 2nd amendment means. Of course the spin doctors will say he’s crazy and only the National Guard can have guns. He has just picked a fight with his own anti-gun weinies.


56 posted on 06/12/2007 5:40:32 AM PDT by eyedigress (Fredheads UNITE!)
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Anti-gun-nut SARCASM TORPEDOTM ARMED. FIRE!!

Like shooting fish in a barrel...!

58 posted on 06/12/2007 5:48:49 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Oh yeah, that’s gonna happen. Why not just rid of that pesky 1st amendment too while we’re at it? Don’t forget, it’s a living document that we can adjust as needed. /sarc


61 posted on 06/12/2007 5:56:40 AM PDT by Reagan is King (u)
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From my cold, dead hands....

Bring plenty of help.


62 posted on 06/12/2007 5:59:10 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

Many comments on this thread have zeroed in on this quote, and that makes me feel like there is some hope for us, after all. Modern liberals - socialists, that is, do not believe in the supremacy of the states in our Federal system of government. We are a Republic, not a national democracy. If the Left wants to abrogate the 2nd Amendment, they are also going to have to challenge the 10th as well:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.

As for our guns, let me be clear to all the thin-wristed, narrow-shouldered little think tank dweebs in Washington:

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.

63 posted on 06/12/2007 6:00:52 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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Kooks come in all sizes, and all guises in my experience.

This guy is a great example.


64 posted on 06/12/2007 6:02:18 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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Trying to repeal the 2A and gun confiscation would be absolute political suicide. How many people would be able to watch a Ruby Ridge or Waco on the news every other day especially if children were involved. That is if the media didn’t censor what was actually happening.


65 posted on 06/12/2007 6:03:43 AM PDT by randomhero97
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"One of the things that they believed was that the right of states to organize militias, and therefore individuals to be armed, was necessary to protect the liberty of those states against the federal government," Wittes said. "This is something we don't really believe as a society anymore."

This is EXACTLY why I have guns and encourage everyone who is willing to be citizens to buy and know how to use military grade weapons.

BTW, the NFA act of 1934, GCA, and FOPA are unconstitutional and a crock of shiite.

67 posted on 06/12/2007 6:16:02 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims.Kill all child molesters RFN!)
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