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Otzi's violent world
National Post ^ | 2007-06-11 | (editorial page)

Posted on 06/11/2007 4:57:26 AM PDT by Clive

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1 posted on 06/11/2007 4:57:27 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...

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2 posted on 06/11/2007 4:57:54 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive
Bush lied

cavemen died.

3 posted on 06/11/2007 5:00:56 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Clive

I think there was a “third arrowman.” Did they check the grassy knoll?


4 posted on 06/11/2007 5:04:45 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: All
Recall Thomas Hobbes' description of man's "state of nature":

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of war, where every man is enemy to every man, the same consequent to the time wherein men live without other security than what their own strength and their own invention shall furnish them withal. In such condition there is no place for industry, because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving and removing such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

From "The Leviathan", Chap XIII,

5 posted on 06/11/2007 5:09:19 AM PDT by Clive
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The 60’s hippies and present-day eco-nuts want us to return to the days of the idyllic, pastoral times of Otzi, which obviously NEVER EXISTED...........


6 posted on 06/11/2007 5:22:30 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Pecaeful cavemen ping!........


7 posted on 06/11/2007 5:24:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Bite your tongue. It tastes a lot better than crow................)
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To: Clive

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


8 posted on 06/11/2007 5:30:57 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Red Badger
Pecaeful cavemen ping!........

"All I'm saying is, a little support would be nice."

9 posted on 06/11/2007 5:33:14 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Clive

Robert E. Howard, please call the office!


10 posted on 06/11/2007 5:34:24 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Clive
empirical support for a variety of Original Sin.

I wonder if murdered Afghan teachers, and bombs thrown into girls schools and hospitals would qualify?

11 posted on 06/11/2007 5:36:43 AM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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Prehistoric iceman "Otzi" died from arrow wound
12 posted on 06/11/2007 5:39:26 AM PDT by blam
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Italian cavemen and Austrian cavemen fighting even then?


13 posted on 06/11/2007 5:43:10 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Clive
Otzi was Haplogroup 'K' DNA as was Thomas Jefferson.

Famous DNA

14 posted on 06/11/2007 5:43:45 AM PDT by blam
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15 posted on 06/11/2007 5:51:48 AM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: Clive
Human nature is neither good nor evil. Both are part of it. A wise person knows that each of us is capable of the most hideous evil but that goodness, heroism, decency, kindness, and love are as basic to human nature as is evil--perhaps more basic--and probably tip the balance in their favor.

The supreme beauty of Todd Beamer is that he was an average person--like you and me--lost in the crowd until one unexpected moment on September 11, 2001.

The wise also know that human nature has not changed since prehisoric times and will not change.

The best way for each of us to deal with the potential for evil is to recognize it withing ourselves and decide in advance that we will not succumb to it.

Mother Teresa said that she decided to go to Calcutta when she looked inside herself and saw a Hitler lurking there.

The other best way is to recognize the potential for evil in our fellow humans and deal with it in advance. It is here that the unwise fail horribly and endanger all of us. They romanticize human nature and the "good intentions" of themselves and others and consequently cloud thinking and judgment. Delusion is always dangerous. In fact, the most dangerous thing in the world is denial.

Clarity and ruthless honesty are the best defense against the "good intentions" that pave the Road to Hell.

The more the unwise--and they are countless--romanticize human nature and lead the world astray with their sentimental wishful thinking, the more the wise must insist on clarity and ruthless truth.

16 posted on 06/11/2007 5:52:54 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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"The 60’s hippies and present-day eco-nuts want us to return to the days of the idyllic, pastoral times of Otzi, which obviously NEVER EXISTED..........."

Exactly. This is the kind of romanticized, sentimentalized wishful thinking that is dangerous.

Look around. Nature is beautiful. It is also an endless bloodbath.

17 posted on 06/11/2007 5:55:59 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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He was in such an excellent state of preservation that he was at first thought to be a victim of the First World War...

Well, for all we know, he was.
18 posted on 06/11/2007 6:51:07 AM PDT by xenophiles
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The author said:
"He was in such an excellent state of preservation that he was at first thought to be a victim of the First World War..."

xenophiles said:

"Well, for all we know, he was."

I doubt that. He only died about 5300 years ago. Warfare, including genocidel warfare, has been extant long before then.

A trite expression from an undergraduate geopolitics course:

"Warfare is man's natural condition. Peace is a condition to be inferred from the fact that there have been intervals between wars."

19 posted on 06/11/2007 7:26:35 AM PDT by Clive
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Thanks for the pings, Red Badger, Blam, and Val.

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20 posted on 06/11/2007 7:58:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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