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1 posted on 06/10/2007 9:29:32 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

For those who do not follow links, what it the proposal?


2 posted on 06/10/2007 9:30:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

There is no amendment to the current amnesty bill for illegal invaders that would make me like that amendment unless it would include the immediate expulsion of all illegal invaders.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 9:32:53 AM PDT by El Gran Salseron (Taxation WITH representation sucks, TOO!)
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We need to simplify it a bit more. After that part about "Any Congressman who ....," add "Will be sumarily executed in the Well of the HOuse of Representatives".

No sense having a complex amendment.

5 posted on 06/10/2007 9:35:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PlainOleAmerican

The one time amnesty was passed in 1986, if we were to agree to another one time amnesty, twenty years from now there would be a call for another one time amnesty.


8 posted on 06/10/2007 9:39:04 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Give me one Amendment & I’ll agree to a One-Time Amnesty

SUCKER!

Just ask the US guvmint to ENFORCE ALL the provisions of the
Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986!

That was pushed as a "one-time" amnesty!!!
11 posted on 06/10/2007 9:41:27 AM PDT by VOA
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Who is the jokester, J.B.Williams? He evidently isn’t aware that Kennedy has already passed his “no felons left behind” amendment that has legalized the MS 13 gansters. So much for the MSM.


12 posted on 06/10/2007 9:41:41 AM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: PlainOleAmerican

If they won’t build a fence they won’t secure the border. This is a law much like gravity.

If they grant amnesty of any sort to large numbers of illegals they won’t look for the rest either. This is also a law much like gravity.


14 posted on 06/10/2007 9:42:00 AM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Because it takes into account the principle that the U.S., at its core, is a nation of laws, not men, means that it has no prayer of ever becoming law.

P.S.: Those of us who believe this are racists, anti-(fill in the blank), etc.


16 posted on 06/10/2007 9:43:43 AM PDT by Zman
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To: PlainOleAmerican

It’s flawed. Talks about “from the date of passage”. That’s ridiculous, nothing should be done till the borders are closed.


17 posted on 06/10/2007 9:43:51 AM PDT by gas0linealley (.good fences make good neighbors)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
But they will be back, we know this…

Hence the KEYWORD: VAMPIREBILL
So we need to cut a deal while we still can.

We cut a good deal in 1986 with Simpson-Mazzoli.
OUR Guvmint just never really enforce the employer (of illegals) sanctions
or secure the border.

And they never will until US citizens start tossing out supporters of
the current "comprehensive immigration reform" fraud.
18 posted on 06/10/2007 9:44:47 AM PDT by VOA
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What do these boneheads not understand about, "No Amnesty!!" The illegal immigrants now in this country need to complete their path to citizenship the way others immigrants have had to by following our law and becoming legal citizens, period!

Enforce the current law, U.S. Gov't!

20 posted on 06/10/2007 9:45:37 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

This proposal is just as unworkable as the amnesty legislation.
Enforce the laws now on the books. That will solve the problem.


21 posted on 06/10/2007 9:46:00 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: PlainOleAmerican; c-b 1; RightWhale; All

Just a reminder to remind the Senate that there is a good immigration REFORM bill languishing in committee that is simple and addresses current loopholes!

Common Sense ‘ENFORCE ACT’ introduced By Sen. Inhofe

Major Provisions in Inhofe’s ENFORCE Act:

· Establishes the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW) Program allowing retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings.

· Makes unlawful-presence in the United States a felony.

· Establishes an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

· Authorizes funding for online immigration training for state and local law enforcement officers.

· **** Eliminates the practice of granting automatic U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in an effort to reduce ‘anchor babies.’******

· Establishes an independent verification system for Social Security numbers; also mandates that immigrant’s Social Security numbers expire when visa runs out.

· Establishes electronic birth & death registries to fight fraudulent Social Security cards

· Helps reduce Individual Taxpayer Identification Number abuse.

· Empowers state & local law enforcement to carryout immigration laws (but does not make it mandatory).

· Establishes penalties for most flagrant employer tax violations—i.e. if an employer willfully files incorrect tax returns, they will be assessed the maximum penalties available.

· Makes it illegal to operate day laborer centers for illegal aliens and to give them unemployment assistance.

· Eliminates in-state tuition benefits for illegal aliens. ###

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837422/posts

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1269


22 posted on 06/10/2007 9:46:42 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Or for simple how about this.

If the demand in our economy for unskilled workers is so great that we need to import 10-20 million people who are not even literate in Spanish let alone English, then it stands to reason that no able bodied person in the United States needs any form of public assistance. So my simple amendment would terminate immediately all Federal Programs that provide assistance of any kind to able bodied persons residing the country.

23 posted on 06/10/2007 9:47:12 AM PDT by trek
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To: PlainOleAmerican

>> But they will be back, we know this… So we need to cut a deal while we still can.

It appears the voice of the U.S. citizen is being ignored. Shall we be more vociferous? And then what happens if we are still ignored?


28 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:00 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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No amnesty to any of them for any reason!

Enforce the law like they did in the 60s and 70s.

Take half the border patrol and raid businesses.

In earlier years the few that made it as far as Los Angeles didn’t last long becauxe the border patrol was raiding businesses in the L.A. area on a daily basis.


29 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:28 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: PlainOleAmerican

From this moment forward, any member of congress that utters even a single word about reversing any of these conditions, adding more to the amnesty rolls in the future or fails to fully support and fund whatever it takes to secure our borders, immediately forfeits his/her seat in congress, to be replaced immediately by the highest ranking member of their state legislature, from the opposite party.

I don’t think they will go for it, but I would.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:40 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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He forgot one:

No child born to any person here ILLEGALLY will be considered an American citizen. ‘

NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!!!

My niece is an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a FLAMING, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL.

Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.

It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.

Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those babies who, under the current — and ERRONEOUS — interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.

And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she’s now a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.

Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.

Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy just out of the USAF.

As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.

It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.


33 posted on 06/10/2007 9:52:59 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (A)
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I would add
* The display of any foreign flag, banner, or emblem of any foreign powere, potentate, or organzation for purposes of petetion, peaceful or otherwise is a federal felony meriting immediate deportation if a migrant regardles of status and revocation of U.S. Citizenship if so held as a migrant. If a native born citizen such acts upon conviction merit a full and mandatory 5 years in federal position and the loss of any currently held federal, state, or local elected/appointed office.

Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. “Desecrate” means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. “Flag” means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of any state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 1 felony.


39 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:36 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Good luck with that.
Second-class citizenship is a third rail in the "social" sciences. Prepare for an all out assault of "German, Nazi and Nazi-related references..."

Different related subject:
Am I mistaken, or is Congress the only legal institution that gets to judge itself? Set their own salary and benefits. Eject members for cause?

That needs to change. This is more pressing than the illegals issue or terrorism. Congress exacerbates or enables most of our current problems. They aid and comfort all enemies...

And it's impossible to get rid of them.

42 posted on 06/10/2007 9:58:26 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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