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Give me one Amendment & I’ll agree to a One-Time Amnesty
Great American Journal ^ | June 8, 2007 | JB Williams

Posted on 06/10/2007 9:29:31 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican

If you like bi-partisan compromise and “progress” in the form of more legislation, you’re going to love this…

Since pretty much every member of congress seems convinced that simple enforcement of the existing immigration laws (that they passed) won’t work, and that rights for illegal aliens is a higher priority than the rights of legal law abiding Americans, some form of amnesty is bound to pass sooner or later.

Despite Washington’s marathon effort to screw the American citizen, the Wall Street Journal reports, “By a vote of 33-63, the Senate fell far short of the 60 votes that would have been needed to limit debate on the immigration measure and put it on a path to passage. Republicans -- even those who helped craft the measure and are expected to support it -- banded together to oppose that move, while a majority of Democrats backed it.”

But they will be back, we know this… So we need to cut a deal while we still can.

I propose a single simple amendment to the amnesty bill that might make amnesty acceptable for most Americans, members of congress not included most likely.

(Excerpt) Read more at greatamericanjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; borders; congress; illegalimmigration; immigration; vampirebill
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To: PlainOleAmerican

This proposal is just as unworkable as the amnesty legislation.
Enforce the laws now on the books. That will solve the problem.


21 posted on 06/10/2007 9:46:00 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: PlainOleAmerican; c-b 1; RightWhale; All

Just a reminder to remind the Senate that there is a good immigration REFORM bill languishing in committee that is simple and addresses current loopholes!

Common Sense ‘ENFORCE ACT’ introduced By Sen. Inhofe

Major Provisions in Inhofe’s ENFORCE Act:

· Establishes the National Border Neighborhood Watch (NBNW) Program allowing retired law enforcement officers to assist Border Patrol agents by reporting illegal border crossings.

· Makes unlawful-presence in the United States a felony.

· Establishes an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) office in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

· Authorizes funding for online immigration training for state and local law enforcement officers.

· **** Eliminates the practice of granting automatic U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants in an effort to reduce ‘anchor babies.’******

· Establishes an independent verification system for Social Security numbers; also mandates that immigrant’s Social Security numbers expire when visa runs out.

· Establishes electronic birth & death registries to fight fraudulent Social Security cards

· Helps reduce Individual Taxpayer Identification Number abuse.

· Empowers state & local law enforcement to carryout immigration laws (but does not make it mandatory).

· Establishes penalties for most flagrant employer tax violations—i.e. if an employer willfully files incorrect tax returns, they will be assessed the maximum penalties available.

· Makes it illegal to operate day laborer centers for illegal aliens and to give them unemployment assistance.

· Eliminates in-state tuition benefits for illegal aliens. ###

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1837422/posts

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-1269


22 posted on 06/10/2007 9:46:42 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: PlainOleAmerican
Or for simple how about this.

If the demand in our economy for unskilled workers is so great that we need to import 10-20 million people who are not even literate in Spanish let alone English, then it stands to reason that no able bodied person in the United States needs any form of public assistance. So my simple amendment would terminate immediately all Federal Programs that provide assistance of any kind to able bodied persons residing the country.

23 posted on 06/10/2007 9:47:12 AM PDT by trek
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To: PlainOleAmerican

-—No fence for me...-—

Learn Spanish.


24 posted on 06/10/2007 9:48:17 AM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: texastoo
The joke is on you...

Why haven’t the border states secured their own borders? You are a sovereign state you know, with a state legislature and a state militia.

Why are you waiting for the fed to do what you should have done locally?

The joke is on you... Did you ask your state legislature to secure your state?

25 posted on 06/10/2007 9:48:41 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
But did NOT include penalty to any member of congress who failed
to enforce legal immigration.


Please...my comments on your thread are not personal.
I'm just commenting.

As for penalties for members of Congress not enforcing the penalties
in the form of sanctions for employers of illegals and border control...
I suspect that the broad immunity that elected officials enjoy
effectively shields them from that sort of rational approach to
prodding them into doing the right thing.

Most of all, the ballot box is where they get a well-deserved
A$$-WHOPPIN'!
26 posted on 06/10/2007 9:49:13 AM PDT by VOA
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To: gas0linealley

Read it again... it says

“The borders are closed instantly. Rather than “redeploying” troops from Iraq to Okinawa, “redeploy” them to our southern border. If we won’t allow our troops to secure Iraq, maybe we’ll allow them to secure America. John Murtha and I can finally agree on something. It will save us the cost of a fence too.”


27 posted on 06/10/2007 9:50:46 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

>> But they will be back, we know this… So we need to cut a deal while we still can.

It appears the voice of the U.S. citizen is being ignored. Shall we be more vociferous? And then what happens if we are still ignored?


28 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:00 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: PlainOleAmerican

No amnesty to any of them for any reason!

Enforce the law like they did in the 60s and 70s.

Take half the border patrol and raid businesses.

In earlier years the few that made it as far as Los Angeles didn’t last long becauxe the border patrol was raiding businesses in the L.A. area on a daily basis.


29 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:28 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: VOA

And your solution is...?


30 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:36 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican

From this moment forward, any member of congress that utters even a single word about reversing any of these conditions, adding more to the amnesty rolls in the future or fails to fully support and fund whatever it takes to secure our borders, immediately forfeits his/her seat in congress, to be replaced immediately by the highest ranking member of their state legislature, from the opposite party.

I don’t think they will go for it, but I would.


31 posted on 06/10/2007 9:51:40 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Oh yeah, that will pass.

Why not demand all members of Congress dye their hair green and sell their daughters to Arab traders. Has about as much chance of passing as this joke.


32 posted on 06/10/2007 9:52:04 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

He forgot one:

No child born to any person here ILLEGALLY will be considered an American citizen. ‘

NO MORE ANCHOR BABIES!!!

My niece is an OB/GYN who took her pre-med at HAAAAVVAAAAADDD! Needless to say, she emerged from that experience a FLAMING, BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL.

Upon completing her medical training at yet another liberal university, she interned at a hospital near the border in San Diego.

It was there that a mystical transformation took place: She began to connect the heavy deductions from the GROSS EARNINGS for which she busted her butt for as many as 72 virtually sleepless hours in a row with the taxis and jalopies regularly sliding to the curb in front of the ER.

Many of them contained pregnant illegals who won the race to deliver their babies HERE. She caught many of those babies who, under the current — and ERRONEOUS — interpretation of the 14th Amendment were IMMEDIATELY NEW AMERICANS. The mother – who, obviously, could not care for the child if she were back in her native land — could not be deported now even if the INS and the political bosses WANTED her deported . And as the mother of a new US citizen, the woman could remain here for about as long as she cared to – and that was usually for life.

Most of those patients were welfare recipients and the deliveries were charity cases: The bill for the hospital’s – and HER services – were routinely spread over the bills of those who DO pay. And what the other users of those facilities don’t cover went back to the taxpayers.
And since my niece was now a taxpayer, they were costing HER.

And while she may not exactly be a libertarian, today she’s now a LOOONNNNG way from Haaaavaaaaaad.

And just so the bleeders who might see this don’t think me some sort of ethnocentric bigot, I submit this problem is MORE than just about illegals.

Before my oldest daughter was born at University Hospital in Cleveland in 1967, I sat in the main lobby as welfare mother-to-be after welfare mother-to-be shuffled through the door to the maternity ER for THEIR free deliveries.

Before WE could take OUR daughter home, I had to cough up over 3 grand. And that was a great deal of dough in 1967, especially for a guy just out of the USAF.

As I wrote the check, I remembered the magazine article I’d recently read by a hospital administrator from Massachusetts who admitted that all US hospitals practiced a form of medical Marxism, spreading the costs of care for indigents over the bills of those who DO pay for care. Given the move to socialism here, it probably will never be otherwise: Not counting Byzantine complexity and confusion, government produces – and has — NOTHING unless it first takes it from some PERSON. SOMEBODY ALWAYS PAYS.

Look, I have a big enough problem paying for the 3rd and 4th generation slackers and welfare bums who were BORN here.

It’s time we stopped paying for those who were not.


33 posted on 06/10/2007 9:52:59 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (A)
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To: RightWhale
The anchor baby provision of the 14the amedment is based on a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that says, "in the absence of any legislation passed by Congress," those born on U.S. soil are U.S. citizens. In other words, Congress could have ended this travesty long ago, but has declined to. The amendment was written to include former slaves in our body politic, not pregnant third world parasites who manage to stagger across the border and have their babies so they can get on the taxpayer funded gravy train. For a good explanation of this, see:http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html

Sen. Jacob Howard, who wrote the Fourteenth's Citizenship Clause believed the same thing ... as evidenced by his introduction of the clause to the US Senate as follows:

[T]his amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

34 posted on 06/10/2007 9:53:16 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: sirchtruth

BEST OPTION!

Now, since nobody in Washington DC likes this option, what’s your next idea?


35 posted on 06/10/2007 9:53:22 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
And your solution is...?

Enforce the laws already on the book.
E.g., the Simpson-Mazzoli that mostly got only lip-service after 1986.

That's a starting point.
36 posted on 06/10/2007 9:53:55 AM PDT by VOA
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To: em2vn

And you will get Washington to do this how?


37 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:03 AM PDT by PlainOleAmerican
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To: PlainOleAmerican
An application for amnesty must be filed with the INS within 90 days of the bill passing. Not coming forward and filing within the period allowed will be an automatic felony. No court time needed. You’re here and you didn’t file, so you’re guilty.

Bill of attainder. Violation of Article I, Section 9, U.S. Constitution.

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/attainder.htm

38 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:30 AM PDT by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: PlainOleAmerican

I would add
* The display of any foreign flag, banner, or emblem of any foreign powere, potentate, or organzation for purposes of petetion, peaceful or otherwise is a federal felony meriting immediate deportation if a migrant regardles of status and revocation of U.S. Citizenship if so held as a migrant. If a native born citizen such acts upon conviction merit a full and mandatory 5 years in federal position and the loss of any currently held federal, state, or local elected/appointed office.

Abuse of venerated objects; classification

A. A person commits abuse of venerated objects by intentionally:

1. Desecrating any public monument, memorial or property of a public park; or

2. In any manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation:

(a) Exhibiting or displaying, placing or causing to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement of any nature upon a flag or exposing or causing to be exposed to public view a flag upon which there is printed, painted or otherwise produced or to which there is attached, appended or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing or advertisement; or

(b) Exposing to public view, manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, giving or having in possession for any purpose any article of merchandise or receptacle for holding or carrying merchandise upon or to which there is printed, painted, placed or attached any flag in order to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark or distinguish the article or substance; or

(c) Casting contempt upon, mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, trampling or otherwise dishonoring or causing to bring dishonor upon a flag.

B. The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

1. Any act permitted by a statute of the United States; or

2. Any act permitted by United States military regulations; or

3. Any act where the United States government has granted permission for the use of such flag; or

4. A newspaper, periodical, book, pamphlet, circular, certificate, diploma, warrant, commission of appointment to office, ornament, picture, badge or stationery on which shall be printed, painted or placed such flag and which is disconnected from any advertisement for the purpose of sale, barter or trade.

C. For the purposes of this section:

1. “Desecrate” means defacing, damaging, polluting or otherwise doing a physical act in a manner likely to provoke immediate physical retaliation.

2. “Flag” means any emblem, banner or other symbol, of any size, composed of any substance or represented on any substance that evidently purports to be the flag of the United States or of any state.

D. Abuse of venerated objects is a class 1 felony.


39 posted on 06/10/2007 9:54:36 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 3AngelaD; Dick Bachert

See post 22


40 posted on 06/10/2007 9:55:06 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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