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The Courage Primary (McCain & Giuliani--Barf Alert!)
Newsweek/MSNBC ^ | June 18, 2007 Issue | Holly Bailey

Posted on 06/09/2007 8:17:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

McCain and Giuliani are sticking to positions that aren't in line with their base. The politics of conviction.

John McCain likes being on the wrong side of his party, almost too much. At a town-hall meeting last week in New Hampshire—the state where he emerged as an unvarnished truth-teller in 2000—the Arizona senator went bare-knuckled with voters on an issue that threatens to cripple his campaign: immigration reform. McCain is proud to be a chief cosponsor of a reform bill, now stalled, that includes a path to citizenship for the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. But most of the people he needs to back him in a GOP primary oppose it. "Do I think it's perfect?" McCain asked the crowd in New Hampshire. "No." But to do nothing, he quickly added, "is the worst of all worlds." That explanation wasn't enough for one voter, who stood and told McCain she simply couldn't support his bill. "I understand," the senator replied, a bit testily. "And when you have a better proposal, I would love to hear it." It seems unlikely that McCain will win that woman's vote. "Doing the hard thing could cost him the election," concedes one McCain adviser, who declined to be named while discussing strategy. "But it's that kind of conviction that makes great presidents." McCain is gambling that, in the long run, a significant number of voters will come to value his willingness to stand his ground on a key issue, even if it's unpopular.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 7dwarfs; aliens; amnesty; conservatism; conservative; democrats; election; election2008; electionpresident; elections; fredthompson; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; gop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; johnmccain; laraza; mittromney; mittstheone; moderates; republicans; rino; rudygiuliani; rudymcromney; shamnesty; whitehouse
What alternate reality does this Holly Bailey person live in? Yeah, the new "profiles in courage" that's the ticket!! LOL
1 posted on 06/09/2007 8:17:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Profiles in Courage? Is that what the Log Cabin Party is calling itself now?


2 posted on 06/09/2007 8:24:44 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Please do not show or display that profile.


3 posted on 06/09/2007 8:26:37 PM PDT by petertare (--)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Intrade -

GIULIANI

McCain

4 posted on 06/09/2007 8:33:24 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But to do nothing, he quickly added, "is the worst of all worlds."

The federal government has been doing nothing to enforce our existing immigration laws Senator! Creating more immigration laws will not guarantee enforcement in the future. The only true reform is to enforce the current immigration laws.
5 posted on 06/09/2007 8:34:38 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

www.wheresthefence.com


6 posted on 06/09/2007 8:44:08 PM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

www.wheresthefence.com


7 posted on 06/09/2007 8:44:12 PM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: bnelson44
my boy Mitt:


8 posted on 06/09/2007 9:09:55 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: Man50D
I would have suggested that non-native citizenship be established by examination (like the one currently in-place) once residency and a minimum income tax payment has been made. For example, a minimum five years of documented residency combined with a minimum of $40,000 (summing of 1040 form line 63 (i.e., ‘this is your total tax’ line in 2006) on an unbroken string of income tax filings. This criteria keeps some bureaucrat from deciding who will be a citizen. As for the pre-citizen immigrants, employers should be severely penalized for hiring those without visas. What type of visa seems unimportant, as long as they have been identified by a formal system run by the federal government. Seems that if you have a visa but are not old enough to work, then someone should be making a substantial yearly monetary contribution to the IRS in their name for the privilege of being in the U.S.
9 posted on 06/09/2007 9:31:56 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Doing the hard wrong thing could has cost him the election," concedes one McCain adviser, who declined to be named while discussing strategy.
10 posted on 06/09/2007 9:51:48 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Calpernia

Just look at who this “piece of trash” article was written by: HARDLY SOMEONE A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTER should listend To!


11 posted on 06/09/2007 9:57:23 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
McCain and Giuliani are sticking to positions that aren't in "line with their base"

McRudy is locked on hard to their base. the dem base...
12 posted on 06/09/2007 10:05:27 PM PDT by Fred (Democrat Party - "The Nadir of Nihilism")
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To: sefarkas

Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate calling for an end to birthright citizenship to those who are children of foreigners.


13 posted on 06/09/2007 10:25:47 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where’s the fey-ance???


14 posted on 06/09/2007 10:29:54 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: incredulous joe

Just say NO to Amnesty!! Keep calling!! It’s NOT OVER!!

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


15 posted on 06/09/2007 11:25:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is exactly right. If we turn it up on these guys, we’ll get something solid accomplished. And as for the 2008 race specifically, lets stick it to Rudy and McCain until we get a real conservative front runner. Check out this ad and help spread the conservative GOP effort.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TkehZMyQ5oM


16 posted on 06/10/2007 1:04:49 AM PDT by Joe27
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

will do.

btt


17 posted on 06/10/2007 4:33:22 AM PDT by incredulous joe
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To: JSDude1

Are you trying to tell me McCain and Giuliani are NOT Log Cabin Republicans?


18 posted on 06/10/2007 5:02:09 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McCain and Giuliani are sticking to positions that aren’t in line with their base. The politics of conviction.”

It’s liberalism. To the liberal media, that is brave.

We see this in TIME mag. lately: Raves for Obama for holding stock liberal cliches; that stuff is ‘bold’, telling carmakers to shape up on the environment -— oooh, whattaman. yet Bashing Romney for running as a conservative.

same old, same old.

Any time the liberal media pumps a candidate (usually Obama, Clinton, and now Rudy and McCain) be very wary.

The media will go after Romney and Thompson viciously, they do not want to let the alternatives have a chance. They will completely ignore the most conservative candidates unless they can use them (paging tancredo) to paint all Republicans as right-wing bombthrowing madmen.


19 posted on 06/10/2007 8:40:45 AM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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