Posted on 06/08/2007 4:33:15 AM PDT by savedbygrace
It's Not Over [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
A Senate aide cautions:
First, yes, the victory yesterday - a product of tireless efforts by a handful of conservative Senators and staff - is a nice pause in this debacle. But I am afraid that is all it may be... the White House is still 100% committed to getting this bill passed. Harry Reid is looking to actually accomplish SOMETHING for crying out loud... and there is no tiring by ... the entire "deal-making" team. The White House has a full plan of attack. They are ready to start plucking votes one-by-one. Conservatives should note precisely which Senators were with us on defeating cloture and compare that to how Senators may change if the bill comes back... in other words, we should make sure we know which Senators are bought-off if the White House does what we believe they will. The sad reality is that people are putting far too much stock in the votes against cloture for some of the deal-makers. Some felt they had to vote that way in order to be "fair" to the caucus. However, those guys were ready to vote the other way if they had felt they could get away with it. Seriously, don't make too much of their votes... there were very specific reasons why they did it - and it had to do with the tough stances of a few conservative senators...
06/08 05:56 AM
He “calls ‘em the way he sees ‘em.” lol
Ditto to that. Emotions are running high, but there is no call for that.
Calling people names just weakens your argument, anyway. I have yet to see anybody on FR intimidated because somebody else called them names.
I agree that the votes for impeachment are not there at this point.
However, IMO, Bush has committed impeachable acts, as I posted above. If the political will were there to impeach, I would not defend him.
The thing I do not understand is that there is very simple path(s) for him to get what he wants and us to get what we want. Close down the F’n border and start a guest worker program. Just don’t make law breakers automatic citizens. They can get in line like everybody else and do it the right way. I have several Hispanics who work for me. They came here illegally as children and worked their asses off to become legal. They are more pissed about instant citizenship than I am.
Hey Sonny boy, drop down and see me. We’ll do some ‘grown-up’ talking.
Some UGLY realities for the GOP RINO’s here.....
1. Jorge Bush is a lame-duck president who can’t do anything but give you back-slaps. He has no mandate on this issue. NONE. Bush has now lost almost all politcal support. The only supporters he has left are the radical moderates.
2. The public is DEAD-SET AGAINST this bill. We want the immigration problem fixed. But we aren’t stupid. This bill won’t fix the things that are broken. In fact, this bill makes them worse. The public wants the borders secured and the current laws enforced BEFORE we do anything else.
3. It is OBVIOUS to us that the ones supporting this bill are trying to deliver a political payoff. A Rasmussen poll showed that by a nearly 2-1 margin the voters opposed this bill. So, why are about 10-15 Senators from both sides fighting to get this passed like they are on the beach on D-Day? M-O-N-E-Y. It is CLEAR that big business and lobbyists are promising money in some form to these politicians.
What you don't get is that many of us are sick of politics and would like Statesmanship instead. The President can shove his politics.
I have wondered for sometime when the Black community was going to wake-up and realize that all of their entitlements were/are being sucked up by Hispanics. I currently believe that at some point in the not to distant future there will be inner city Black/Hispanic violent conflicts - not just drug and gang stuff but organized hit squads to take out the other side. We shall see, but the usual race pimps on the Black side have been very quite as of late - doesn't add up.
I was reading a post about someone who had been here illegally about 20 years. Why? This person had a chance to get legal the last round. The sad thing is that the president probably could get his work program if he wasn’t so high handed “my way or the high way” about it. All most people want is a fence and support of the border control first. Big business could still get their help, legally and registered. Why they want to make this so complicated and give the country away, makes no sense to me.
You haven’t seen earmarks until you see those that start getting doled out to buy votes to get shamnesty passed.
The taxpayer cookie jar will be wide open now with both Bush and Reid having to rescue their reputation and get that Republican cheap labor and Democrat voter bloc.
Folks are really trying to be civil with you, but you are having nothing to do with it.
I've come to a very startling realization that Bush doesn't want to shut down the flow. Period. He has some agreement with Fox. I think he has made a deal with Fox to let the US accept the migration out of Mexico in order let the Mexican government stabilize. INSANELY stupid policy, but it is the only thing I can see.
Just don’t make law breakers automatic citizens. They can get in line like everybody else and do it the right way. I have several Hispanics who work for me. They came here illegally as children and worked their asses off to become legal. They are more pissed about instant citizenship than I am.
I don't have much sympathy for the illegals. As far as I'm concerned, no illegal should ever be able to gain citizenship and voting rights. NEVER. A solution to let them go back, apply, come here documented, PAY TAXES AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE SYSTEM is doable. If a man is willing to work, then a solution can be found.
But, I believe that the public has had enough of the lawlessness. IF we are going to be a nation of laws, then at some point people have to start abiding by them. This may just be the last straw.
"petulant children"? You continue to be ineffective in your discourse.
Please step aside, Apologists are not needed in these dark days.
You’re the only one “screaming and bitching” on this thread, Johnnie.
Calm down, MNJohnnie.
This is not the end of the world. Cutting your own grass and cleaning your own toilet is good exercise and enobling work. And soon you might be able to find a parking spot at the 7-11 when you go to buy your Slurpee.
It’s not over, but we just took the ball for an 80 yard touchdown drive all on the ground to start the game. How long till football season?
It is the need to be “comprehensive” that has killed the efforts.
I think if the following measures were proposed in isolation, each would garner enough support to pass:
1. Real border security
2. ID cards and registration including biometrics for all aliens
3. Guest worker program
4. Path to citizenship that does not reward lawbreakers
If all of these things were passed, you would have comprehensive reform. The problem is that when you glomm them together, the people who support one will not support another, and nothing gets done.
Furthermore, people have seen the US government be so irresponsible and negligent in this field for so long, they don’t trust them with something so complicated as comprehensive reform. However, I think they can be convinced to trust the government if they try to do little things, one at a time, in a transparent manner.
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