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Both sides blame each other, trade barbs on immigration legislation
thehill ^ | 06/08/07 | Manu Raju and Elana Schor

Posted on 06/07/2007 7:51:42 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

As prospects dimmed on immigration legislation yesterday, senators from both parties started targeting scapegoats in a bid to limit the political backlash from a failure to pass the sweeping bill.

New opponents and roadblocks surfaced yesterday, threatening to tear apart the fragile, bipartisan coalition that has stayed intact for weeks.

But the biggest obstacle was the process. Republicans balked at initial Democratic efforts to limit debate and move to a final vote on the far-reaching bill, which would establish a process for 12 million illegal immigrants to win legal status.

Regardless of the outcome of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.’s) second bid to limit debate on the bill, which was scheduled after press time yesterday, final passage of the behemoth immigration bill remains a heavy lift. The measure has come under sustained attack from the base of both parties.

Mindful that Latinos will play a greater role in the 2008 elections, leaders from both parties yesterday traded sharp attacks to deflect blame from a key part of the electorate.

Reid and the Democrats sought to portray the failure as President Bush’s responsibility, pointing to a lack of Republican support for limiting debate even though reforming the nation’s immigration laws is a top priority for the White House.

“The headline is going to be: ‘The president fails again,’” Reid said.

But some Republicans said lobbying by Bush could only make things worse.

“With regards to the president on this issue, I hope he concentrates on the G8. His comments last week were not helpful,” said Senate Republican Whip Trent Lott of Mississippi, referring to Bush’s strong criticism of Republicans who call the bill “amnesty.”

But Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) pointed a finger at Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), echoing Democrats’ weeklong assertions that Republicans are stalling in an effort to kill the bill by procedural means.

“He wants a longer parade, he wants more and more floats,” said Durbin as he described McConnell’s repeated amendment requests.

After a cloture vote to limit debate yesterday failed by a decisive 63-33 vote, Reid said he would pull the bill from the floor if the Senate failed to invoke cloture a second time.

“It’s not our fault,” the majority leader argued on the Senate floor.

On their part, Republicans blamed Democrats for effectively killing the bill by not allowing for enough time to debate the complexities of immigration legislation.

To get the bill through the Senate, “it’s going to take more votes than you’d like to make,” McConnell shot back.

Failure to work through Republican concerns in a narrowly divided Senate “is the reason why this Congress to this point has a paltry list of accomplishments,” McConnell said, calling Reid’s move a “power grab.”

If cloture is not won as the weekend approaches, Reid could push immigration into next week or move on to the waiting energy bill and no-confidence vote on embattled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Reid has said that the immigration measure is unlikely to reemerge if this two-week run does not succeed, but anything is possible after a debate full of unexpected shifts and anti-climaxes.

Even as Republicans were pushing for more amendments to be considered, earlier yesterday some initial supporters were threatening to withdraw their backing if the Senate kept language adopted Wednesday to sunset a guest-worker program after five years.

That language was adopted after the Senate voted 49-48 to approve the amendment, which was authored by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.). A key Republican negotiator, Jon Kyl of Arizona, said the bill was “off track” and the language needed to be stripped before final passage.

To complicate matters, four of Kyl’s Republican colleagues— who had initially opposed the Dorgan amendment — eventually voted for it in a bid to kill the underlying bill.

“This was the opportunity, if you couldn’t strip amnesty out of it, to say ‘No’ to the legislation,” said Elizabeth Dole (R) of North Carolina, who was joined by Republicans Mike Enzi of Wyoming, Jim DeMint of South Carolina, and Jim Bunning of Kentucky in switching her vote in favor of the Dorgan amendment.

An angry Lott lashed out at those Republicans, saying, “I don’t think that’s responsible.”

“I am embarrassed to say they were trying to kill the bill by passing that,” Lott said. “And I told them what I think of that. And I probably am going to tell them more later. In my opinion, I think that was not a good thing to do, period.”

Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), who had originally opposed Dorgan to show “good faith” with the immigration negotiating team that he had helped lead before splitting from the final deal, also had harsh words.

After the bill moved rightward and several family-reunification changes he backed fell short, Menendez told The Hill “there was no need to continue to try to show more good faith.”

If cloture fails, Menendez said the bill’s fate would rest with the balance between senators who want it to collapse and those who want to continue the difficult process of compromise. But he warned: “The bill’s only getting worse, not better, with every amendment that passes.”

Meanwhile, outside interest groups on both ends kept working to bring down the legislation unless changes could be made to reflect their priorities.

The National Network for Immigrant & Refugee Rights sent members a bilingual alert calling for intensified grassroots lobbying against the bill, writing that “the so-called ‘grand bargain’ … contains many problematic provisions and does not respect the human rights of immigrants.”

The League of United Latin American Citizens, which had supported early work on the bill, wrote to 15 Democratic senators late Tuesday “after much debate, analysis and soul-searching,” asking them to oppose the bill as written and “join in totally re-crafting [it].” Four other Hispanic advocacy groups co-signed the letter.

For its part, the National Governors Association rapped the bill’s proposed use of “Real ID,” a national identification program plagued by controversy and delays, to verify all workers’ employment status.

Montana’s two Democratic senators, Max Baucus and Jon Tester, are pushing to strike Real ID from the bill, even though they had not won a vote as of press time.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bothsides; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigration; legislation; shamnesty
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To: ovrtaxt
"The less they get accomplished, the better."

The country would be better off if we didn't even have a senate these days. No matter what....they just "have" to get a bill passed. It doesn't matter what it is for or what it does, it just has to get passed.

21 posted on 06/07/2007 8:12:16 PM PDT by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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To: P-40

oh I know....I’m in Nor Cal now but lived in San Diego and the Los Angeles area for 10 years and that was from 1981-1991 and it was getting bad then....can only wonder what it is like there now.....much worse then up here for sure...


22 posted on 06/07/2007 8:12:31 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: TornadoAlley3
Trent Lott has really gone around the bend. First all that stuff about his bosom buddy Teddy Kennedy being such a great & wonderful guy. And now this:

“With regards to the president on this issue, I hope he concentrates on the G8. His comments last week were not helpful,” said Senate Republican Whip Trent Lott of Mississippi, referring to Bush’s strong criticism of Republicans who call the bill “amnesty.”

So, now it's all Bush's fault that it failed. I would have said that it was all Bush's fault that it darned near passed, and would have passed if not for a heroic effort from mostly conservative patriots.

23 posted on 06/07/2007 8:13:41 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Yup.


24 posted on 06/07/2007 8:14:32 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Mindful that Latinos will play a greater role in the 2008 elections...

I know that illegals have voted in certain Texas counties, but do politicians actually expect illegals to have an impact on the outcome of the 2008 elections? American citizens cannot allow this to happen.

25 posted on 06/07/2007 8:15:01 PM PDT by USMA '71
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is a bad bill.To start with, the 844 miles of fence approved and funded 6 months ago would be lowered to 310 miles. To have half the fence and declare it as a trigger to give citizenship away, well, words fail me.
Deportation and law enforcement cannot be effective until a fence is built.Building a fence will be cheaper than putting illegal criminals in jail, or on welfare. or medical and social services.
So, where’s the fence?
Senator Reid said no one had a better idea than his bill.
Just ask any AMERICAN.


26 posted on 06/07/2007 8:17:55 PM PDT by bullfeather (illegitimate non carborundum)
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To: TornadoAlley3
...senators from both parties started targeting scapegoats in a bid to limit the political backlash from a failure to pass the sweeping bill.

By all means, please do.  It will help refine our understanding of who the real sons of b!%ches are: the ones who moan and groan the most.

 

27 posted on 06/07/2007 8:18:43 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: the worlds largest association of hyperemotional 3 year-olds.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
New opponents and roadblocks surfaced yesterday, threatening to tear apart the fragile, bipartisan coalition that has stayed intact for weeks.

Somebody on another thread opined that we have a two party system in this country: the Evil party, and the Stupid party. Bipartisanship occurs when they come up with something that both support because it is evil AND stupid.

That analysis works for me.

28 posted on 06/07/2007 8:21:00 PM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglés, oprima el dos.")
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To: zerosix
The Libs and Rinos dodged a bullet here. They (the Rinos) believe that there will be a "backlash of Latino voters in '08."

It should be interesting to see how Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson try to spin this tomorrow. Those 2 backstabbers were responsible for this bill but they can say they helped kill it by voting Nay to limiting debate. I won't buy it.

29 posted on 06/07/2007 8:21:12 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: latina4dubya
Most are living in the past, they don’t come home enough anymore the gov is so huge, and have tons of staff, constant fundraising, and no time to read, reflect and talk to their constituents.

The days of passing legislation just for the sake of it, are gone.

My advice?

Stay off the Dem hack Sunday talk shows, and instead go to church and then a picnic with your community.

30 posted on 06/07/2007 8:21:27 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Cicero

Wow. I had no idea Mr. Lott had lost his mind.


31 posted on 06/07/2007 8:21:43 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: latina4dubya

“Wierd, it looks like all they wanted to do was pass something, anything.
that’s what this has been all along... all i’ve heard from proponents is, “we’ve gotta do something... we’ve gotta do something.” nobody, including Mr. President, explained why this particular bill was worthy of passage... just that we had to do something... anything...”

Sorry folks that’s wrong. This was not an act to get something done. This was an attempt at amensty and a continuation of the scam that has existed since 1986.

This was an intentional, ugly act to make Americans mute and feckless.

It failed.


32 posted on 06/07/2007 8:24:42 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Wow. I had no idea Mr. Lott had lost his mind.”

Oh he hasn’t lost his mind at all. His ego however is revealing itself.
Convincingly for all to see I might add.


33 posted on 06/07/2007 8:25:35 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: roses of sharon

“Thank god for the Internet, now we can read bills ourselves!”

It is easy to forget the importance of the Internet. We might be excused for thinking that it is the real hero of this immigration bill matter.

Thanks for reminding us.


34 posted on 06/07/2007 8:25:54 PM PDT by gas0linealley (.)
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To: NorCalRepub

I was in LA a few years back for training. I stayed in a Days Inn right across from the Carson Mall. There were no bookstores and no coffee shops! Can you imagine a California mall with no coffee shop or bookstore? You could however buy life-size statues of Joseph, the Virgin Mary, and all the saints and apostles.


35 posted on 06/07/2007 8:26:25 PM PDT by claudiustg (I didn't leave the Republican Party. I was purged.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

First order of business now: replace that idiot head of Homeland Security—Skeletor Chertoff.

I have zero confidence in his ability to perform his job. He showed his true colors—and those colors were the colors of Mexico.


36 posted on 06/07/2007 8:26:50 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: TornadoAlley3
We just witnessed The End of the Bush Presidency

There's nothing left. Nobody in either party will support him on anything. He's done.

37 posted on 06/07/2007 8:27:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (the Prophet said, If (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him. - HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:260])
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To: TornadoAlley3

Too bad. We have a golden opportunity here. That’s to make sure they uphold the law.


38 posted on 06/07/2007 8:30:03 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: USMA '71
but do politicians actually expect illegals to have an impact on the outcome of the 2008 elections?

social security no. fraud + driver's licenses + Motor Voter Act = ???

39 posted on 06/07/2007 8:30:53 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: claudiustg

If Bush had his head screwed on right, he’d have pushed to close the border after 9/11 and cracked down on illegals


Yep...he had the clout to do just that after 9/11....now we realize that he never had any intentions whatsoever.


40 posted on 06/07/2007 8:31:48 PM PDT by teldon30 (disgruntled 2nd class)
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