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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #3 - Manchester, NH 06/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 06/05/2007 2:50:43 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

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To: CounterCounterCulture

That segment of the debate is also here (without ads)

Lightning Strikes Rudy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqwKb4cCsg


1,761 posted on 06/05/2007 11:48:15 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1845594/posts

Transcript: Third G.O.P. Debate
NY Times ^ | 06/05/2007
Posted on 06/05/2007 8:20:37 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007


1,762 posted on 06/05/2007 11:53:13 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

What was the final result of the time for each candidate?
Did you time just their responses (including applause, etc)?


1,763 posted on 06/05/2007 11:54:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: RobFromGa

See my tagline:


1,764 posted on 06/06/2007 12:02:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: RobFromGa

I’m thinking the only contest remaining is whether Clinton or Thompson will name a black running mate first.


1,765 posted on 06/06/2007 12:03:39 AM PDT by Sir Clean Plate Club (Gore feels things are getting warmer because he is on his way to Hell)
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To: LibertyRocks

He sounds like an unstable version of a libertarian talking all kinds of crazy talk.


1,766 posted on 06/06/2007 12:12:22 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: B. Chezwick
Democrats at various debates that host this caca will insist on him being there, but he is an embarrassment to himself and this country IMO.
1,767 posted on 06/06/2007 12:13:37 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl

Just for the record, I got my results from Chris Dodd's blog

Blitzer 19:34

1 McCain 12:44
2 Giuliani 12:35
3 Romney 11:04
(surprise, surprise, the "top-tier" candidates)

4 Hunter 7:14
5 Brownback 7:12
6 Huckabee 6:48
7 Gilmore 5:59
8 Paul 5:51
9 Tancredo 5:43
10 Thompson 4:21

1,768 posted on 06/06/2007 12:28:38 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Oh man is that priceless — (I’m laughing and looking up... THANK YOU LORD!!!)

How many times did lightening strike during that answer??? I attended parochial school too Rudy, and I think the nuns I knew would say you’re in a bit of trouble with the “Big Guy”.

Thank you for the link, I had missed that part and only heard Blitzer talking about it after the debate. Blitzer didn’t even mention it was a question about his stance on abortion.


1,769 posted on 06/06/2007 12:49:52 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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Notable quotes of the night...

MR. THOMPSON: My name is Thompson, Tommy. I’m the candidate, not the actor. (Laughter.)


MR. HUCKABEE: I’m Mike Huckabee. For 10 and a half years, I was governor of Arkansas. I’m from the small town of Hope. You may have heard of it. All I ask you is, give us one more chance. (Laughter.)


blunder of the night...

MR. HUCKABEE: Today’s the birthday of Ronald Reagan.


MR. GIULIANI: These are real problems. This war is not a bumper sticker. This war is a real war.


REP. TANCREDO: What we’re doing here in this immigration battle is testing our willingness to actually hold together as a nation or split apart into a lot of Balkanized pieces.


SEN. MCCAIN: ...We need to act, my friends, and if someone else has a better idea, I’d love to have them give it to us. (Cheers, applause.)

MR. BLITZER: Thank you, Senator. Hold on.
(HANDS RAISE ALL AROUND)

SEN./REP./MR. : I have a better idea.


MR. FAHEY: Thank you.
Congressman Hunter, whether we like it or not, in cities across America, in counties across America, including your district in San Diego, illegal immigrants are doing jobs that American citizens don’t want: working on farms, in hotels, restaurants. If you have your way and they all leave this country, who’s going to fill those jobs?

REP. HUNTER: Well, first, I disagree with that premise, because when they made the sweep on the Swift plants — those were the meat packaging plants in Iowa — took out some 850 people who were working there illegally several months ago, there were American citizens lined up the next day to get their jobs back at 18 bucks an hour.

Now — and let me tell you, this is a disastrous bill. And if John McCain is right in saying that this is a national security issue — and it is, border enforcement — then the Hunter bill, which was signed by the president on the 26th of October, mandating 854 miles of double fence — not that scraggly little fence you show on CNN all the time, Wolf, that people get across so easily — if they get across my fence, we sign them up for the Olympics immediately. (Laughter.) We’ve got a big fence.

But 854 miles of double border fence was mandated to be constructed. Homeland Security has a billion bucks, cash on hand. It’s been six months, and they’ve done 11 miles.

So administration has a case of the slows. And I think they slowed the fence down so that they could come out with the amnesty at the same time, put the two together, and the Bush-McCain-Kennedy bill would then be accepted by conservatives and liberals alike.


REP. PAUL: Well, I think we should read the First Amendment, where it says, “Congress shall write no law.” And we should write a lot less laws regarding this matter. It shouldn’t be a matter of the president or the Congress. It should be local people, local officials. The state should determine so many of these things that we just don’t need more laws determining religious things or prayer in school. We should allow people at the local level.

That’s what the Constitution tells us. We don’t need somebody in Washington telling us what we can do, because we don’t have perfect knowledge. And that’s the magnificence of our Constitution and our republic. We sort out the difficult problems at local levels and we don’t have one case fit all, because you have a Supreme Court ruling like on Roe versus Wade; it (ruined ?) it for the whole country.


MR. GIULIANI: I think we have to accept the view that scientists have that there is global warming and that human operation, human condition, contributes to that.


REP. TANCREDO: Thank you. Some time ago, 2003 I think it was, I got a call from Karl Rove who told me that because of my criticism of the president, I should never darken the doorstep of the White House. I have been so disappointed in the president in so many ways since his — actually for the last several years, not just the immigration issue, but several other things, including the No Child Left Behind and the massive increase in government that we call prescription drug — Medicare prescription drug, that I’m afraid I would have to tell the president of the United States — I mean as president, I would have to tell George Bush exactly the same thing Karl Rove told me.


REP. HUNTER: ...I’ll tell you a couple transcripts I have looked it, and that’s the agents, Compean and Ramos, who were given 11 and 12 years respectively for stopping a drug dealer bringing 750 pounds of drugs across the border. I’ve looked at their transcript; I would pardon Compean and Ramos right now.


MR. BLITZER: Thank you, Governor.

Mayor Giuliani, there was some news here today. A Catholic bishop in Rhode Island said some words about your position on abortion, suggesting that it was similar to Pontius Pilate’s personal opposition to Jesus Christ’s crucifixion but allowing it to happen anyway.

How does that make you feel when you hear words like that from a Catholic bishop?

MR. GIULIANI: Well, you know — well, a Catholic bishop — (off mike) —

MR. BLITZER: That’s the lightning that’s having an affect on —

MR. GIULIANI: (Laughs.) Yeah, I know.

MR. BLITZER: — our system. (Laughter, applause.)

(Cross talk.)

MR. GIULIANI: Look, for someone who went to parochial schools all his life, this is a very frightening thing that’s happening right now. (Laughter.)

But the reality is, I respect, you know, the opinion of Catholic — (off mike) — religious leaders of all kinds. Religion is very important to me, it’s a very important part of my life. But ultimately, as a — (off mike) — I’ve been in public life most of my life and taken oaths of office to enforce the law, I’ve got to make the decisions that I think are the right ones in a country like ours.

And my view on abortion is that it’s wrong, but that ultimately government should not be enforcing that decision on a woman. That’s — that is my view that I — I consult my religion, I consult my reading of the Constitution, I consult my views of what I think are important in a pluralistic society, and the reality that we have to respect the fact that there are people that are equally as religious, equally as moral that make a different decision about this. And should government put them in jail?


MR. BLITZER: Congressman Hunter, I want you to weigh in because Arnold Schwarzenegger, your governor in California, has become very popular out there by bringing in independents and moderates and trying to forge a consensus among Republicans and Democrats in your state. Shouldn’t the GOP nationally be following that Arnold Schwarzenegger example in California?

REP. HUNTER: No. (Laughter.) And let me just say, you know, I look at Governor Romney, Mayor Giuliani, my good friend John McCain. Governor Romney joined with Bill Clinton for the 1994 gun ban when I was fighting that. Mayor Giuliani stood with him at the White House on that. Governor Romney has passed what I consider to be a major step toward socialism with respect to his mandated health care bill. John McCain is standing strong with Ted Kennedy on this Kennedy- McCain-Bush border enforcement bill.

I think the guy who’s got the most influence right here with these three gentlemen is Ted Kennedy. And I think we need to move away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. (Applause.)


SEN. MCCAIN: Well, first of all, Governor, muchas gracias.


REP. TANCREDO: And how long? How long will it take us for that — for us to catch up with the millions of people who have come here, both legally and illegally, and assimilate them? I’ll tell you this. It’ll take this long: until we no longer have to press 1 for English and 2 for any other language. (Applause.)


1,770 posted on 06/06/2007 12:51:50 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: rintense

la cabAsa?


1,771 posted on 06/06/2007 12:52:34 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Condensing Tancredo’s answer he said he would not allow President Bush to cross the threshold of the WH if he occupied it. He listed all the things he has against Bush. He showed no finesse at all.”


Did you know that Karl Rove told Tancredo never to darken the door of the Bush White House? No doubt Tancredo was pretty insulted when Rove said that to him too.


1,772 posted on 06/06/2007 1:07:05 AM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: padre35
muEy?
1,773 posted on 06/06/2007 1:14:21 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: april15Bendovr
How do you say "If you want to be a legal citizen and assimilate your welcome to get in line.”

If you want to become a citizen by first becoming a legal resident and assimilating, YOU'RE welcome to get in line.

1,774 posted on 06/06/2007 1:33:42 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: Irontank
but demanding that the federal government strictly adhere to the Constitution is still a conservative principle...right?

The truth - NO!

1,775 posted on 06/06/2007 1:33:51 AM PDT by niki
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To: Old 300
In the long run, excessive government power is the biggest threat of all.

Especially Islamic excessive government power.

1,776 posted on 06/06/2007 1:46:16 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Thanks!
Here's my creation:
            Number of     # of Words    Words per
Candidate   Questions     to Respond    Response

Giuliani       16           2611           163
Romney         15           2503           167
McCain         14           2226           159
Brownback      11           1481           135
Huckabee        9           1475           164
Hunter         11           1439           131
Gilmore         9           1311           146
Tancredo        9           1185           132
Paul           10           1120           112
Thompson        8            895           112

*Follow-up questions/responses counted as single question/response

1,777 posted on 06/06/2007 1:47:00 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: SharpTalons
Ted Kennedy is a viper. I don’t know how any true conservative could collaborate with him on legislation.

In a Democrat controlled Senate, nothing big gets through that Ted Kennedy does not okay. He's been in the club there for 4 decades and is the big cheese.

This is what you get when you sit out elections.

1,778 posted on 06/06/2007 1:49:57 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: SoCalPol
This seems like a good debate. Too bad I was not stateside to see it and rely only on the transcripts.

I want you guys out there to know that I am JUST THIS CLOSE to going into the DUNCAN HUNTER column for 2008....Not there yet, but mighty close.

He almost has me convinced. Someone send me a Freepmail to push me perhaps over and into the HUNTER 2008 camp. I will reply to any and all private Freepmails. I am open to the "pitch" and the "lobby". Whomever I side for in this primary, I will be an active, loud candidate for him, (for we sorely need a change from the current status in Washington, D.C.!!).


1,779 posted on 06/06/2007 2:14:36 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Leaning for HUNTER. Thompson could change that. I won't say bad things about Tancredo, either.)
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To: BillyBoy
idiot freeper "experts" last year Ah, yes, if I had a nickle for every expert opinion...

Have won several bets with proceeds going to FR. Mostly they don't have the moxie to put their money where their mouth is.

1,780 posted on 06/06/2007 2:27:45 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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