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[Sandra Day] O'Connor: Attacks on judges 'appalling'
NewsOK.com ^ | Fri June 1, 2007 | unattributed

Posted on 06/02/2007 8:58:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Recent attacks on "activist judges" by legislative bodies could be putting the concept of an independent judiciary at risk, retired Associate Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said Friday. "These are appalling times," O'Connor told a crowd of 700 during a moderated discussion about her career at the University of Tulsa. "There is so much rancor and dislike going on." O'Connor asked the crowd if it heard of the attacks on so-called "godless, secular humanist, activist judges," and cited cases in several states where people attempted to introduce ballot measures that would toss judges in jail for making the wrong decisions or shorten their terms on the bench... She said an independent judiciary enables judges to resolve cases fairly, "and let the chips fall where they may," even if the legislative branch isn't happy with the outcome... O'Connor also discussed her recent role as a member of the Iraq Study Group, a bipartisan commission that met to assess the current and prospective situation in Iraq and the surrounding region. The report called for a gradual troop pullout and more aggressive regional diplomacy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: activistjudges; blackrobedtyrants; judiciary; moralabsolutes; sandradayoconnor; scotus
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To: Jaysun
Disregard post #20, posted on the wrong thread. I hate it when I do that.

Well, I don’t have to tell you, we expected that sumbitch to light up like a Christmas tree and flat-out walk the dog. But it didn’t. Turns out the new orange shag carpet I’d put on the floor was so thick it was keeping the cool “barefoot” gas pedal I’d installed from going all the way down.

I haven't been up long...coffee, more coffee!!! I don't suppose there is an explanation for the above posts?? Think I'll go back to bed.

81 posted on 06/03/2007 7:56:31 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (That "broken glass" we all crawled over in 2000 has now left scars on our hearts as well !)
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To: KJC1
Other Republican public servants are held to that standard, it’s beyond high time judges are too.

There, FRixed that.

82 posted on 06/03/2007 7:58:45 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (That "broken glass" we all crawled over in 2000 has now left scars on our hearts as well !)
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To: xzins
The judiciary is not independent. They are selected for their affinity to the political positions of the persons who appoint them. Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge this is in some form of denial.

I've actually worked for Federal (appointed) judges. I can tell you that politics never entered into any case I worked on, or saw.

The elected (primarily state) judges, on the other hand, were explicitly political - and, in my experience, nowhere near the caliber of the appointed judges. Their handle on the law (especially the rules of evidence) have been more tenuous (one in particular has his own "It might be important" exception; another tries to go 50/50 - if he ruled against you last time, he'll rule for you this time.).

The best reforms of the judiciary we could make would be to increase the salary to make it competitive with partnership at a large law firm. Keep the lifetime appointment, but be more willing to impeach for bad behavior or explicit politicization.

. They should be forced to reveal their views,

Oh, heck no. Then they'll have to recuse themselves whenever a case comes up with which they might disagree. (It's unethical for a judge to reveal beforehand how he might rule.)

?they should STILL be required to rule on the language of the law.

Agreed. Policy should not be the domain of the courts. That is why, for instance, in the recent employment discrimination case where the Supreme Court ruled the 300-day rule was pretty hard and fast, they got it right. I agree with Justice Ginsberg that this, policy-wise, is a bad idea because discrimination is often incremental and not noticed until some straw broke the camel's back. But that decision is not the Court's to make, but Congress's. Alito et al. were right on the law.

83 posted on 06/03/2007 8:56:15 AM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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84 posted on 06/03/2007 9:18:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SunkenCiv

If judges intentionally make political rulings, then they must expect a political response.


85 posted on 06/03/2007 9:20:33 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Theodore R.
"What did Riggins actually say about her? Wasn’t he just complimenting her in an off-color way?"

You're basically correct. He had had a few too many at some dinner and told her "Sandy baby, you're too tight. You need to loosen up." I was merely using his off-color compliment as an off-color insult.

With regard to her tenure as a SCOTUS justice, she was a buffoon. The manner in which left wing political activists in black robes regularly thwart the will of the people in this country infuriates me. Modern judges receive far more respect than they deserve.

86 posted on 06/03/2007 9:49:34 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
"Its because of you that we don't have a constitution any more. Many, many, many thanks;

PS: That was sarcasm, if you didn't know it."

It was also the truth, and well put.

87 posted on 06/03/2007 9:53:29 AM PDT by VR-21
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88 posted on 06/03/2007 10:28:48 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 31, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv

As long as the judiciary insists on overstepping its proper bounds and making political decisions, it shouldn’t be so G**D***** “independent”.

This is a republic, or at least a democracy, not a judicial oligarchy, or even an aristocracy of our ‘betters’, the ‘elite’.


89 posted on 06/03/2007 10:31:54 AM PDT by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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Here are my thoughts on the subject.

Ms. O'Connor needs to take a chill pill and settle back down. Whether she likes it being said or not our judicial is system is way out of control and peopple aren't going to shut up about it just becuase she wants them to.

Apparently she seems to think that an "Independent Judiciary" is one that's in bed with the Democrats and the New World Order. This is not what our founding fathers had intended. It was the intention of our founding fathers that the U.S. Constitution be the Supreme law of the land and NOT laws of other nations.

Before O'Connor goes to spewing off her big mouth she needs to take a look at the history books and find out what the founding fathers had in mind for this country. Maybe, she'd be much better off living in places like Cuba or China or menuzula where she'd be much more happier.

Regards......

90 posted on 06/03/2007 10:52:18 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.

Sandy of course can live where she damn well pleases, so long as the natives can stomach her arrogant presence.

The USA would be better off today if she had chosen some place else to reside, long before her appointment to the US Supreme Court and long before she was in a position to pervert the words of our Constitution.

She can do the USA a favor right now by talking all of our living ex-Presidents into joining her in a vow of silence and solitude.


91 posted on 06/03/2007 11:18:23 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The President, the Senate, the House,has surrendered to 20 million criminals. Anarchy? Hell yes!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Dear Sandy:

If the judiciary had been intended to be "independent royalty" beyond reproach or accountability, there never would have been provisions for judges' removals in the Constitution.

Think about that.

92 posted on 06/03/2007 11:44:19 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: haroldeveryman
“Justice Breyer: U. S. Constitution should be subordinated to international will”

Actually, in a free society, he is free to express that sentiment as an individual.

He can not do the same as a servant of American citizens, sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States..

93 posted on 06/03/2007 11:49:48 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ah, yes, Sandra this is a big problem, the masses expecting us to follow the Constitution of the US and not be activists from the bench. Now, how can we shut the stupid, pesky peons up?
Sandra, would you like to meet Hugo?
94 posted on 06/03/2007 11:53:12 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: SunkenCiv

She thinks American Judges are like the royalty in Europe, should be beyond criticism and accountability.


95 posted on 06/03/2007 12:00:42 PM PDT by GregH
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
Dear Sandra Day-
What was your position on Kelo vs New London? Thought so. In that case, you might want to: STFU. Its because of you that we don't have a constitution any more.

Actually, O'Connor wrote the dissenting opinion and tore the majority justices (Stevens, Kennedy, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer) new asses in it. She was on the correct side in the Kelo decision.

96 posted on 06/03/2007 12:25:45 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: KarlInOhio
You are right. I am totally wrong. I apologize. I have been silently fuming over the Kelo vs New London decision for years -- I see it as the end of our Republic as I know it -- that I eagerly blamed some of the more wobbly Justices for this decision. Justice Scalia and Thomas would never let me down, but alas, they are far too few in the minority. Interpreting the Constitution should not be a political past-time. It should be a matter of truth. Sandra Day has let me down before and I simply applied past disappointments to this situation.
97 posted on 06/03/2007 3:21:58 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: SunkenCiv

Those nasty old legislative bodies. Off with their HEADS!


98 posted on 06/03/2007 3:42:42 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe

I would bet money that they are political and that it could be statistically proven.

Simply place a “liberal/conservative” label on each justice. Place a “liberal/conservative” rating on each ruling.

You will discover that the affinity of liberal judges for liberal rulings will defy randomness by giant steps and not baby steps.


99 posted on 06/03/2007 7:34:24 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: SunkenCiv

What’s really apalling is the Judiciary’s attacks on the Constitution. Reagen appointed this B!tch and she turned around and stabbed him in the back. She should crawl back under her rock and STFU!


100 posted on 06/03/2007 8:18:06 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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