Posted on 06/02/2007 10:22:51 AM PDT by nj26
President Bush’s advocacy of an immigration overhaul and his attacks on critics of the plan are provoking an unusually intense backlash from conservatives who form the bulwark of his remaining support, splintering his base and laying bare divisions within a party whose unity has been the envy of Democrats.
It has pitted some of Mr. Bush’s most stalwart Congressional and grass-roots backers against him, sparking a vitriol that has at times exceeded anything seen yet between Mr. Bush and his supporters, who have generally stood with him through the toughest patches of his presidency. Those supporters now view him as pursuing amnesty for foreign law breakers when he should be focusing on border security.
Postings on conservative Web sites this week have gone so far as to call for Mr. Bush’s impeachment, and usually friendly radio hosts, commentators and Congressional allies are warning that he stands to lose supporters — a potentially damaging development, they say, when he needs all the backing he can get on other vital matters like the war in Iraq.
“I think President Bush hurts himself every time he says it is not amnesty,” said Senator Tom Coburn, Republican of Oklahoma, referring to the bill’s legalization process for immigrants. “We are not all that stupid.”
This week, in discussing Mr. Bush’s recent comments accusing conservative critics of the immigration legislation of fear-mongering, Rush Limbaugh told listeners: “I just wish he hadn’t done it because he’s not going to lose me on Iraq, and he’s not going to lose me on national security. But he might lose some of you.”
Such sentiments have reverberated through talk radio, conservative publications like National Review and Fox News. They have also appeared on Web sites including RedState.com and FreeRepublic.com...
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Hey, NYT, how does it feel to be part of the Dinosaur media?
Cheers!
Is this the same Karl Rove that was confident that the Republicans were going to hold on to the House and Senate in the mid-term elections?
“If Shamnesty comes to pass it will be worse than anything Carter did. And Carter was by far the worst president of the 20th century”
We have a winner!!
“There is no doubt in my mind that he meant to impugn our patriotism because of other remarks he has made about us. He’s not half as passionate about granting amnesty as we are to stopping it from happening. So much so that I would like to see the traitor impeached! Along with Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Arlen Specter, Ted Kennedy, Mel Martinez and any other traitor who is selling America down the river. I’ll tell ya what’s a real shame. That ANY Republican is going along with this insanity!”
Don’t forget “VIGILANTES”
I am really for building a fence and stopping illegal immigration. I don't care about Bush just stopping Democrats/liberalism/socialism. Amnesty must be stopped. I didn't donate to liberal Democrat Jerry brown like Savage did . Jerry brown is for increasing illegal immigration. Savage is a Berkely, liberal hack: Savage Backs pro-immigrant liberal Jerry Brown
America's most fiery conservative talk show host backing liberal Jerry Brown for California's attorney general? Yes, it's true. Michael Savage, the nation's third-most-listened-to radio host (and fourth-most-influential host, according to NewsMax's Top 25 List), confirmed that he recently donated $5,600 – the maximum allowable – to Brown's campaign. Brown won the Democratic Party nod and is facing Republican State Sen. Chuck Poochigian of Fresno, Calif. "What can I say?" Savage told the San Francisco Chronicle. "I think he'd make a great attorney general compared to the other guy. By the way, who is the other guy?"
You are right on. As Savage also says right now we are thankful that we have a benevolent oligarchy running the nation. I say that the elites want The Hildabeast to finally install a "have & have not" society. The MSN is all hers & the voting machines are worthless. So what if the people don't like her. Where do you go to complain when you knew that the fix was done. Nothing short of a military coup to take down these bureaucrats will get us back on track.
"Kennedy has been wrong about everything for over twenty years. Why bring his name up?"
That says it all about Savage. DEMOCRAT Ted Kennedy has been behind every Amnesty bill and every bill that has increased immigration from the 3rd world based on family ties since 1965. Before 1965 almost all immigrants to the U.S were from Europe. And they became Americanized. Now after Ted Kennedy and his bills since 1965 we have had an invasion of 3rd world poor,socialist, uneducated democrat voters. That you or Savage don't REPEATEDLY make this point shows that Savage is just trying to blame the GOP.
Savage called for the resignation of Dennis Hastert during the height of election and the liberal media Foley fiasco. This showed me Savage's true liberal colors . Savage was trying to throw the election to the Democrats. and looks like he succeeded. He still has conservatives mad at Republicans and not Democrats even though Democrats are in control of Congress and it was Republicans who stopped this Amnesty last year.
Also Savage has generalized the GOP. And he has labeled them as big spenders when 84% of spending is mandatory if you include military spending. why doesn't savage mention that?
Savage donated money to liberal democrat Jerry Brown who is for illegals.
Instead of you savage supporters spinning for a liberal cult leader like Savage, why don't you spin for America, for freedom, for conservatism, and against Democras/socialism and against Amnesty?
LOL! Too funny.
Fellow FReeper sentis1 summed it up rather well a few days ago...
The Senate looks across the border to Mexico and wants what they see there a political system based on graft and curroption. A system of Lords who rather than elected are chosen by birth out of a ruling class and then forced upon the people in curropt elections. The politicos like what they see mexican politicians who are Royalty and above the common people. That is what they want here thats why they are trying so hard to tunr the USA into mexico.
For a more detailed analysis, see this thread:
Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill
Thanks. Not everyone thinks it's funny, believe me.
Bush is now a President without a cushion of support from people who both elected him and supported him and his ideas, albeit sometimes questionable, through thick and thin.
The President is an injured knee without a miniscus. He is walking shakingly on the high wire without a net.
This is very dangerous for an individual who is far from adept at explaining his rationale for almost anything.
It should be noted that the President's term of office is not done, and it is not a plesant thought to be alone without the support of your party. whilst one trys to manouevour through the rocks and shoals of politics. All of the temporary Teddy Kennedy's will not take the place of a loyal party support. Those voters and contributors who through an almost chemical ephemeral connection comforted Bush, have left the field in cold fury and grave disappointment. They will never return, having been sufficiently burned so that their distrust is manifest. Goodbye George Bush, we are looking for a real leader, and it is not you. On a personal note, my paternal Grandfather would speak of the harsh times before he came to the United States and of the predations visited on him by the Czar. Whenever he mentioned that despotic Monarch, he would turn his head and spit. I laughingly did the same thing yesterday after conversation brought George W. Bush's name to my lips. It was NOT an unconfortable action.
Columba Bush (born August 17, 1953) is the wife of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and the sister-in-law of President George W. Bush.
Columba was born as Columba Garnica Gallo in León, Guanajuato, Mexico, where she grew up and attended high school. Her parents were Jose Maria Garnica, a migrant worker, and Josefina (or Josephina) Gallo. She met Jeb Bush in 1971 in León while he was teaching English as part of a foreign exchange program. They were married on February 23, 1974, in Austin, Texas. [1]) The couple have three children: George P. Bush, Noelle Bush, and Jeb Bush, Jr., the three "little brown ones" fondly mentioned by President George H. W. Bush in 1988.
She made headlines in June 1999 when she misled U.S. Customs officials about $19,000 in new clothing and jewelry she brought into the country because she didn't want her husband to know how much she had spent on a five-day Paris shopping trip.
You're right! I'm feeling more like I want to become a vigilante every day......
Any country with weak law enforcement has to count on it's vigilantes/patriots to bring the lawlessness under control if it is to survive. The reason Mexico is in such bad shape is because those in power have been more concerned in fattening their own wallets than they are of helping the people, and that's exactly what our Politicians have been doing to us too.....
That's why Mexicans want to come to America. As many billions of dollars that have been sent back to Mexico over the years, that country should be a mirror of America, instead of the other way around. IF we don't stop them, that's exactly how America is going to end up.
“Any country with weak law enforcement has to count on it’s vigilantes/patriots to bring the lawlessness under control if it is to survive. The reason Mexico is in such bad shape is because those in power have been more concerned in fattening their own wallets than they are of helping the people, and that’s exactly what our Politicians have been doing to us too.....”
You are the first person to put this so succinctly!
If Fred Thompson comes out against this amensty crap, he’s the republican party nominee. And he’d win the general election in a walk. This is the key issue for conservatives and unless the GOP leadership listens to us, the GOP is done as a major political force in this nation.
You have to understand that the pols don't "grok" the basic intelligence of the grass roots of the conservative movement. They think they themselves are well informed lion tamers of public opinion, and that the activists are narrow minded, uninformed, strident - walking examples of irrational passion, useful only for their votes and occasionally their energy.
Whereas the reality is the sort of people you find here have read deeply in all the sources of conservative thought, judged wisely in a thousand twists and turns of public life to wind up where they are politically, have enourmous depths of real life experience and common sense, and know what does and does not work in the long run. Far better than the pols do, since the pols are constantly mistaking short term political possibility for actual expediency. (Leading them to e.g. choose the moment of their maximum political weakness to cooperate with their greatest enemies, etc).
Fundamentally, they do not understand that they are our servants and employees and we are their intellectual betters. Occasionally they learn it, but always the hard way, and they never seem to remember or take it truly to heart. Probably because the truth isn't as flattering as their office assistants.
I think your comparison of Bush with Carter may have some merit.
Let's see, Jimmah gave away the Panama Canal (currently being operated by the ChiComs) and Jorge wants to give away Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. An area that will no doubt be run by Mexican drug lords.
“With CNN reporting that 49% of the base is unhappy with the three front runners Freep was really just ahead of the curve.”
As always.
Yep.
Carter “only” gave away the Panama Canal. Bush and Kennedy and company are planning to give away the country.
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