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Bush’s Push on Immigration Tests His Base (FR Mentioned)
NY Times ^ | June 3, 2007 | JIM RUTENBERG and CARL HULSE

Posted on 06/02/2007 10:22:51 AM PDT by nj26

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To: Anti-Bubba182
It also is a tacit admission that *someone* at the Times is reading FR.

Hey, NYT, how does it feel to be part of the Dinosaur media?

Cheers!

61 posted on 06/02/2007 12:55:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: nj26
Karl Rove, Mr. Bush’s top political adviser, said Friday he was confident that the White House would win over its critics as it explained the details of the bill and the administration’s continuing efforts to enforce existing border control laws.

Is this the same Karl Rove that was confident that the Republicans were going to hold on to the House and Senate in the mid-term elections?

62 posted on 06/02/2007 1:00:57 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Has George W. Bush been taking Carter's Little Pills?)
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To: SmoothTalker

“If Shamnesty comes to pass it will be worse than anything Carter did. And Carter was by far the worst president of the 20th century”

We have a winner!!


63 posted on 06/02/2007 1:03:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: NRA2BFree

“There is no doubt in my mind that he meant to impugn our patriotism because of other remarks he has made about us. He’s not half as passionate about granting amnesty as we are to stopping it from happening. So much so that I would like to see the traitor impeached! Along with Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Arlen Specter, Ted Kennedy, Mel Martinez and any other traitor who is selling America down the river. I’ll tell ya what’s a real shame. That ANY Republican is going along with this insanity!”

Don’t forget “VIGILANTES”


64 posted on 06/02/2007 1:08:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: southparkNationalist
So you are insulting fellow posters because I said the truth about Savage? LOL. did it hurt your feelings?

I am really for building a fence and stopping illegal immigration. I don't care about Bush just stopping Democrats/liberalism/socialism. Amnesty must be stopped. I didn't donate to liberal Democrat Jerry brown like Savage did . Jerry brown is for increasing illegal immigration. Savage is a Berkely, liberal hack: Savage Backs pro-immigrant liberal Jerry Brown

America's most fiery conservative talk show host backing liberal Jerry Brown for California's attorney general? Yes, it's true. Michael Savage, the nation's third-most-listened-to radio host (and fourth-most-influential host, according to NewsMax's Top 25 List), confirmed that he recently donated $5,600 – the maximum allowable – to Brown's campaign. Brown won the Democratic Party nod and is facing Republican State Sen. Chuck Poochigian of Fresno, Calif. "What can I say?" Savage told the San Francisco Chronicle. "I think he'd make a great attorney general compared to the other guy. By the way, who is the other guy?"

65 posted on 06/02/2007 1:09:25 PM PDT by rurgan ("Government is not the solution to our problems.Government is the Problem" - President Reagan)
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To: ex-Texan
Almost 50% of eligible voters do not even bother to register anymore. Most people have plain given up on voting. The parties pick the candidates. With voting machines, their is no paper trail. Garbage in, garbage out.

You are right on. As Savage also says right now we are thankful that we have a benevolent oligarchy running the nation. I say that the elites want The Hildabeast to finally install a "have & have not" society. The MSN is all hers & the voting machines are worthless. So what if the people don't like her. Where do you go to complain when you knew that the fix was done. Nothing short of a military coup to take down these bureaucrats will get us back on track.

66 posted on 06/02/2007 1:09:26 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: ex-Texan
"Kennedy has been wrong about everything for over twenty years. Why bring his name up?"

That says it all about Savage. DEMOCRAT Ted Kennedy has been behind every Amnesty bill and every bill that has increased immigration from the 3rd world based on family ties since 1965. Before 1965 almost all immigrants to the U.S were from Europe. And they became Americanized. Now after Ted Kennedy and his bills since 1965 we have had an invasion of 3rd world poor,socialist, uneducated democrat voters. That you or Savage don't REPEATEDLY make this point shows that Savage is just trying to blame the GOP.

Savage called for the resignation of Dennis Hastert during the height of election and the liberal media Foley fiasco. This showed me Savage's true liberal colors . Savage was trying to throw the election to the Democrats. and looks like he succeeded. He still has conservatives mad at Republicans and not Democrats even though Democrats are in control of Congress and it was Republicans who stopped this Amnesty last year.

Also Savage has generalized the GOP. And he has labeled them as big spenders when 84% of spending is mandatory if you include military spending. why doesn't savage mention that?

Savage donated money to liberal democrat Jerry Brown who is for illegals.

Instead of you savage supporters spinning for a liberal cult leader like Savage, why don't you spin for America, for freedom, for conservatism, and against Democras/socialism and against Amnesty?

67 posted on 06/02/2007 1:30:51 PM PDT by rurgan ("Government is not the solution to our problems.Government is the Problem" - President Reagan)
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To: Barnacle
See tag line.

LOL! Too funny. 

68 posted on 06/02/2007 1:33:57 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: edweena
 Yet I admit I’m completely baffled.

 

Fellow FReeper sentis1 summed it up rather well a few days ago...

The Senate looks across the border to Mexico and wants what they see there a political system based on graft and curroption. A system of Lords who rather than elected are chosen by birth out of a ruling class and then forced upon the people in curropt elections. The politicos like what they see mexican politicians who are Royalty and above the common people. That is what they want here thats why they are trying so hard to tunr the USA into mexico.

 For a more detailed analysis, see this thread:

 Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill

69 posted on 06/02/2007 1:37:01 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma
LOL! Too funny.

Thanks. Not everyone thinks it's funny, believe me.

70 posted on 06/02/2007 1:41:00 PM PDT by Barnacle (Barred from posting on "A Day in the Life of President Bush" threads.)
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To: nj26
It does not test the base. It (Bush’s attitude and stance)
causes his formerly loyal base to accept reality and evaporate in the face of the President's ideological abandonment and flagrant disrespect by the less than articulate President, who had no difficulty in eloquently scorning his most loyal supporters..

Bush is now a President without a cushion of support from people who both elected him and supported him and his ideas, albeit sometimes questionable, through thick and thin.
The President is an injured knee without a miniscus. He is walking shakingly on the high wire without a net.
This is very dangerous for an individual who is far from adept at explaining his rationale for almost anything.
It should be noted that the President's term of office is not done, and it is not a plesant thought to be alone without the support of your party. whilst one trys to manouevour through the rocks and shoals of politics. All of the temporary Teddy Kennedy's will not take the place of a loyal party support. Those voters and contributors who through an almost chemical ephemeral connection comforted Bush, have left the field in cold fury and grave disappointment. They will never return, having been sufficiently burned so that their distrust is manifest. Goodbye George Bush, we are looking for a real leader, and it is not you. On a personal note, my paternal Grandfather would speak of the harsh times before he came to the United States and of the predations visited on him by the Czar. Whenever he mentioned that despotic Monarch, he would turn his head and spit. I laughingly did the same thing yesterday after conversation brought George W. Bush's name to my lips. It was NOT an unconfortable action.

71 posted on 06/02/2007 1:47:00 PM PDT by Gideon Reader (DEMOCRATS: Not quite American, and proud of it! Palestinians are,...well,... Palestinian.)
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To: nj26
The president’s brother, Jeb Bush, and his former campaign manager, Ken Mehlman, wrote an Op-Ed article in The Wall Street Journal pleading the case for the legislation, lamenting that the debate, “has led many close personal and ideological friends — people we respect and whose criticism we take seriously — to oppose new rules governing how people enter this country and how we handle those who are here illegally. But we hope our friends reconsider.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Bush

Columba Bush (born August 17, 1953) is the wife of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and the sister-in-law of President George W. Bush.

Columba was born as Columba Garnica Gallo in León, Guanajuato, Mexico, where she grew up and attended high school. Her parents were Jose Maria Garnica, a migrant worker, and Josefina (or Josephina) Gallo. She met Jeb Bush in 1971 in León while he was teaching English as part of a foreign exchange program. They were married on February 23, 1974, in Austin, Texas. [1]) The couple have three children: George P. Bush, Noelle Bush, and Jeb Bush, Jr., the three "little brown ones" fondly mentioned by President George H. W. Bush in 1988.

She made headlines in June 1999 when she misled U.S. Customs officials about $19,000 in new clothing and jewelry she brought into the country because she didn't want her husband to know how much she had spent on a five-day Paris shopping trip.

72 posted on 06/02/2007 1:49:19 PM PDT by radar101 (Dream Team--Hunter&Thompson)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Don’t forget “VIGILANTES”

You're right! I'm feeling more like I want to become a vigilante every day......

Any country with weak law enforcement has to count on it's vigilantes/patriots to bring the lawlessness under control if it is to survive. The reason Mexico is in such bad shape is because those in power have been more concerned in fattening their own wallets than they are of helping the people, and that's exactly what our Politicians have been doing to us too.....

That's why Mexicans want to come to America. As many billions of dollars that have been sent back to Mexico over the years, that country should be a mirror of America, instead of the other way around. IF we don't stop them, that's exactly how America is going to end up.

73 posted on 06/02/2007 1:51:33 PM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: NRA2BFree

“Any country with weak law enforcement has to count on it’s vigilantes/patriots to bring the lawlessness under control if it is to survive. The reason Mexico is in such bad shape is because those in power have been more concerned in fattening their own wallets than they are of helping the people, and that’s exactly what our Politicians have been doing to us too.....”

You are the first person to put this so succinctly!


74 posted on 06/02/2007 1:58:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: atomicpossum
It is called Strange New Respect (R Emmett Tyrell of the American Spectator diagnosed it and coined the term) and is reserved for Republicans who attack other Republicans. Whether they have cause or not, and whether the liberals agree with either, being irrelevant. It is just standing Party Doctrine that any member of the right firing on any other member of the right shall be accorded Strange New Respect. It is Pavlovian conditioning. It is meant to incite defections among careerists, amplifying any internal dispute on the right with the promise of fame fortune position etc.
75 posted on 06/02/2007 1:58:42 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If Fred Thompson comes out against this amensty crap, he’s the republican party nominee. And he’d win the general election in a walk. This is the key issue for conservatives and unless the GOP leadership listens to us, the GOP is done as a major political force in this nation.


76 posted on 06/02/2007 2:04:12 PM PDT by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: LadyNavyVet
If his position had any rational arguments in his favor, it might help. Since it doesn't, it just brings out better principled arguments against his position.

You have to understand that the pols don't "grok" the basic intelligence of the grass roots of the conservative movement. They think they themselves are well informed lion tamers of public opinion, and that the activists are narrow minded, uninformed, strident - walking examples of irrational passion, useful only for their votes and occasionally their energy.

Whereas the reality is the sort of people you find here have read deeply in all the sources of conservative thought, judged wisely in a thousand twists and turns of public life to wind up where they are politically, have enourmous depths of real life experience and common sense, and know what does and does not work in the long run. Far better than the pols do, since the pols are constantly mistaking short term political possibility for actual expediency. (Leading them to e.g. choose the moment of their maximum political weakness to cooperate with their greatest enemies, etc).

Fundamentally, they do not understand that they are our servants and employees and we are their intellectual betters. Occasionally they learn it, but always the hard way, and they never seem to remember or take it truly to heart. Probably because the truth isn't as flattering as their office assistants.

77 posted on 06/02/2007 2:05:21 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
George Bush is doing to the Republican Party,
what Jimmy Carter did to the Democrat Party.

I think your comparison of Bush with Carter may have some merit.

Let's see, Jimmah gave away the Panama Canal (currently being operated by the ChiComs) and Jorge wants to give away Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. An area that will no doubt be run by Mexican drug lords.

78 posted on 06/02/2007 2:06:40 PM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: gondramB

“With CNN reporting that 49% of the base is unhappy with the three front runners Freep was really just ahead of the curve.”

As always.


79 posted on 06/02/2007 2:09:15 PM PDT by HonestConservative (<just a racist xenophobe Christian radical homophobe with a dream >)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yep.

Carter “only” gave away the Panama Canal. Bush and Kennedy and company are planning to give away the country.


80 posted on 06/02/2007 2:12:00 PM PDT by HonestConservative (<just a racist xenophobe Christian radical homophobe with a dream >)
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