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To: Valin

I agree that illegals are certainly a security threat. But that doesn’t mean that we should turn this into an immigration thread, since illegality does not seem to be a problem with any of the people in this case.

IMHO, the real danger is that legal, naturalized or even native-born citizens are dabbling in this stuff. I think our next big attack here is probably going to involve some of our own, particularly from the Black Muslim or convert sector of Islam. So far, while they’ve tried, they’ve been too dumb and careless to actually pull it off. But one of these days they will.


35 posted on 06/02/2007 11:34:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

“IMHO, the real danger is that legal, naturalized or even native-born citizens are dabbling in this stuff. I think our next big attack here is probably going to involve some of our own, particularly from the Black Muslim or convert sector of Islam.”

Obviously this is a problem, but there are solutions and forces working against the Islamists

Documentarians battle PBS over Islam film
Islamdaily.net / Chicago Tribune ^ | 4/29/07 | Karoun Demirjian
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825981/posts
Or
http://www.islamdaily.net/EN/Contents.aspx?AID=5586

WASHINGTON — The film features grainy footage and dramatic music, presenting itself as a stark look at the way fundamentalist Muslims in America and Europe crush dissent by their more moderate co-religionists.

But the very production of “Islam vs. Islamists: Voices From the Muslim Center” has highlighted sharply different views about the state of Islam in the United States and showcased how intensely sensitive that subject remains. PBS, which commissioned the project, is delaying airing the film after protests that it is anti-Muslim. Now its creators are launching a public campaign against PBS to get it shown.

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“Islam vs. Islamists” follows the efforts of socially liberal Muslims in America and Europe to reclaim their religion from political extremism by speaking out against ultra-conservative imams.

But the film never made it into the initial lineup of 11 shows that aired recently. A film about widespread discrimination against Muslims, “The Muslim Americans,” did air as part of the series.
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Muslim) Informants in American Service
The Strategy Page ^ | June 4, 2006 | The Strategy Page

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1643576/posts
Posted on 06/05/2006 7:56:30 AM CDT by Little Ray

A recent terrorist trial, and conviction, of an Islamic terrorists in New York City brought out the extent to which police have infiltrated Moslem communities in order to uncover terrorist plots. While most of this counter-terrorist activity within Moslem communities is kept secret, enough information has leaked out to make it clear that it’s no accident that the United States has not suffered another terrorist attack since September 11, 2001.

There is an extensive informant network within Moslem communities all over the United States. The FBI was pleasantly surprised right after September 11, 2001, by the number of calls they got from American Moslems, reporting suspicious events in their communities, or volunteering to keep an eye on things. It turned out that there was a substantial number of American Moslems, most of them recent immigrants (legal and illegal) that were pro al Qaeda. These attitudes had been causing distress among American Moslems since the 1990s. There had been violence, and even some murders, as the Islamic radicals tried to take control of Mosques, and other Moslem immigrant organizations. While Arabs have been migrating to the United States for over a century, until the 1960s, most of those migrants were Arab Christians, or Jews. Once Israel was founded, the Middle Eastern Jews generally went to Israel, while Arab Christians continued to head for America. Then came the large waves of Arab Moslems. The established Arab-Americans did not have close ties with the growing number of Arab Moslem migrants. There were some pan-Arab organizations, but the Arab Moslems tended to keep to themselves. This was no surprise to the Arab-American Christians, as their ancestors had come to American to escape persecution by Moslems back home. Old animosities die hard.

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46 posted on 06/02/2007 11:57:41 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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