Let me say this and end this conversation because I have to go now, the best you guys can do is to kill the current illegal immigration bill but this will not solve anything, it will not solve the problem of the illegal immigrants who are already here and it will not solve the border security problem. There is no bill that will become a law according to what you and the majority here want, you will remain angry for the rest of your life because of this.
I don’t know why I bother, I guess I just hate to see people spew “facts” that are false. There have been many studies done. And Aunt B is correct. I just grabbed this site because it has the studies listed together and providing back up where to find it. I have seen that study and it may be included here, I just don’t want to waste more time.
Hey, 99% of statistics are made up by the person stating them. You have given several statistics here, not backing up a single one with a source despite repeated calls to cite your back up. Does make one wonder about your “translations”. I didn’t doubt them before but I have to tell you, judging by your lack of back up and false information for what you’ve stated in this thread, I am beginning to doubt.
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_wagesofagworkers
I'm beginning to think you've paid not one bit of attention to the facts in this debate. I think you know better than what you just wrote and everytime you do it, I'm going to show you the facts. Now, pay attention, I know you're not stupid.
What do you suppose the cost is for the infrastructure to accommodate up to 20 million people aka illegal aliens? New roads, schools, medical facilities, welfare/social services, houses, on and on.....
Now, for the cost of produce.
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Without illegal aliens, the price of agricultural products and other goods and services will NOT soar. The definitive study on this subject is the University of Iowa's "How Much Is That Tomato?" The study concludes that 'since labor is such a small component of the end-price of agricultural products (which includes price to the growers, transportation costs, processing /storage costs, grocers' profit, etc.), using minimum wage workers instead of illegal aliens would increase prices of agricultural products by approximately 3 percent in the summer and 4 percent in the winter ... hardly the making of $10 heads of lettuce, $25 hamburgers, $1,000 per night Days Inn hotel rooms like the pro-illegal alien lobby claims.
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html
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"If you look at strawberries, they're picked right into the little plastic containers," said Martin. "The farmers only get about 18 cents on the dollar for strawberries. If (the consumer) spends $1 on a pint of strawberries, the farmer's getting 18 cents. He gives about one-third of that to farmworkers, so they make 6 cents." So even if the labor cost were to double, that would still only be a 6 cent increase per pint.
Martin's estimate is that if the immigration influx -- currently a net of about 500,000 people per year -- were cut by 40 percent, the average American family would wind up spending about 2.5 percent more on fresh fruits and vegetables.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/21/MNGFQIVN991.DTL&type=politics
So, now you can see into the future? You won't even take past history as fact! I'm sorry, Jv, I'd hoped there was a part of you that could be reasoned with. You are one scarry dude. Don't freepmail me again.