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Michigan Man Fined for Using Coffee Shop's Wi-Fi Network
Fox News ^ | 05/31/2007 | Sara Bonisteel

Posted on 05/31/2007 12:51:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd

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To: clamper1797
Contrary to opinion ... it doesn’t take up much bandwidth.

Freeping no, YouTubing, yes.

This is going to lead to kids getting arrested in Michigan. My son's PSP (Sony hand held video game unit) detects every wireless network within a couple blocks of us. And people say California is messed up.

161 posted on 05/31/2007 1:52:42 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: BurbankKarl

Yeah, look at the dates on that document. Antiquated just a bit.

The guy could have gone in and bought a cup of coffee. So he was an idiot for sitting outside in his car accessing the network. The coffee shop owner is really an idiot for allowing his network to be accessible to the public. He is lucky that all the guy did was access the internet, rather than leave him a nasty virus or trojan.


162 posted on 05/31/2007 1:53:41 PM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: Kaylee Frye

“I think the people on here that want to categorize this as stealing just do not understand technology well enough.”

That could be. But still... anyone wanting to string a man up based on their misunderstanding of technology is still scary!


163 posted on 05/31/2007 1:54:01 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: N3WBI3
I understand your point, but disagree. If you want to broadcast a signal it is your prerogative to maintain and/or secure your emission.
164 posted on 05/31/2007 1:54:13 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
If they project their signal beyond their enclosure how can they complain?

I've projected my landscaping outside my enslosure, but that doesn't mean people get to take my plants. Sometimes I park my car on the public street and sometimes I forget to lock the door. It's a stupid mistake, but that doesn't mean that people are free to take whatever is inside. Taking what is not yours or what you didn't pay for is stealing.
165 posted on 05/31/2007 1:56:00 PM PDT by mngran
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To: N3WBI3

Does the house at 133 Robinson St. have a big sign that says “Free Phone Service” and an owner that says “I don’t care if he uses my service , I have a fixed rate phone plan?”


166 posted on 05/31/2007 1:56:29 PM PDT by HundredDollars (Just my two cents. Keep the change.)
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To: P-40
"... if you don’t secure your system in the most basic way...it is free access."

Absolutly correct! They were broadcasting an unsecured internet connection signal through the air. It might not be polite to use someones band width but ... the signal is unsecured and avilable through the public airwaves.

167 posted on 05/31/2007 1:56:56 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: TommyDale

I would encourage you to educate yourself about public wifi spots.

1. Most owners WANT the signal to go outside the walls. Ever see them put tables outside the coffee shops? That’s a hint.

2. There is almost zero risk (never say never when it comes to computer security) to the owner’s computers. They are separated from the wireless network by various means.


168 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:15 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: art_rocks

The guy got busted after he was asked why he parked in the lot every morning. He ratted himself out when he told the cop the truth. Rather than telling the guy to buy something or beat it, the cop just had to charge the guy with this obscure crime.

I think there is a moral there somewhere, but I will let the crowd decide.


169 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:19 PM PDT by Lawdoc (My dad married my aunt, so now my cousins are my brothers. Go figure.)
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To: Diplomat
YouTubing, yes

True

170 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:21 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: rwilson99
It’s no different than someone coming over the border illegally.

Good point, but the punishment for using an unprotected WIFI seems to be cruel and unusual when compared to that of prosecution & punishment of illegals.

171 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:27 PM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: N3WBI3

There is no evidence that each person coming in to the shop doesn’t have to ask for permission to use the connection.

Bottom line is that the shop chose not to protect whatever property right it had in the signal. Ergo, it’s fair game, particularly where they are broadcasting an unsecured signal into public space.

The state has no business interfering here.


172 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:42 PM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: Responsibility2nd
Someone from a nearby barbershop had called cops after seeing Peterson's car pull up every day and sit in front of the coffee shop without anybody getting out.

"I just curiously asked him, 'Where are you getting the Internet connection?', you know," Sparta Police Chief Andrew Milanowski said. "And he said, 'From the café.'"

Milanowski ruled out Peterson as a possible stalker of the attractive local hairdresser, but still felt that a law might have been broken.

"We came back and we looked up the laws and we figured if we found one and thought, 'Well, let's run it by the prosecutor's office and see what they want to do,'" Milanowski said.

A few weeks later Peterson said he received a letter from the Kent County prosecutor's office saying that he faced a felony charge of fraudulent access to computer networks and that a request had been made for an arrest warrant.

Wouldn't a simple "Move along, buddy," have been sufficient?

173 posted on 05/31/2007 1:57:57 PM PDT by x
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To: Red_Devil 232

“They were broadcasting an unsecured internet connection signal through the air.”

Wait... you are correct but it goes farther than this. Like this...

They were broadcasting an unsecured internet connection signal through the air WITH THE INTENT OF SHARING IT WITH THE PUBLIC.


174 posted on 05/31/2007 1:59:36 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: mngran

Tell me how he was supposed pay for a free service?


175 posted on 05/31/2007 1:59:38 PM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: Red_Devil 232

Absolutely incorrect. If there is an understanding its free have at it but not securing or encrypting information is not *de facto* permission to use the service. If I am telnetting over the internet I am not giving you my password your still sniffing it.


176 posted on 05/31/2007 2:00:42 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Red_Devil 232
It might not be polite to use someones band width

It is rude to use it without asking...but worth the legal hassle? No.
177 posted on 05/31/2007 2:01:35 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Loyolas Mattman

If I do not lock my door and park the car on the stree its not fair game...


178 posted on 05/31/2007 2:01:54 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Loyolas Mattman

Not only that, the shop owner INTENDED to negate his claim to keeping the property from use. He INTENDED to share it.

Thanks for your post. The idiots on this thread are driving me nuts. I should leave for awhile I guess.


179 posted on 05/31/2007 2:02:07 PM PDT by LetGoNow
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To: TC Rider
The article doesn’t say if he was playing his bagpipe while he was surfing..

My guess is that is what got him into trouble:


180 posted on 05/31/2007 2:02:13 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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