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Gingrich: Karl Rove Strategy 'Maniacally Dumb'
NewsMax.com ^ | May 31, 2007 | staff

Posted on 05/31/2007 8:53:31 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: padre35

Gingerich is about as loyal to the President as he was to his various wives.


21 posted on 05/31/2007 9:24:36 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Lx
Good observation and so true.

I turned off of Rove a long time ago.

I may be wrong but it seems to me that the 2006 election campaign was fought from a losing position.

The support of Specter over a true conservative gave me real heart burn.

A decision by the White House that America will pay dearly for and soon.

22 posted on 05/31/2007 9:28:51 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN or THOMPSON 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Lx; kellynla
Rove is not really a strategist in the correct sense of the world, he is an excellent tactician. Many people don't understand the difference. Think Clinton machine, a lot of tactical "victories" combined by ideology but without overarching sense of strategy.

Good tactician executing a flawed or wrong strategy can do more harm than bad tactician executing good strategy. Think 2006 "all politics is local" GOP campaign which only played into Schumer-Emanuel hands, as they "out-conservatived" conservatives.

Newt is a strategist, so is Condi, in a true sense of the word. Maybe it's because they are historians.

23 posted on 05/31/2007 9:30:46 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: kellynla
...who says the right can’t retain power if it alienates the center.

And the Republicans cannot gain/maintain power if they continue to alienate the Right. If the Republican party continues to slip Left, it will lose more and more voters as it did in 2006 that no longer see a difference between the two parties. They were called Reagan Democrats for a reason.

24 posted on 05/31/2007 9:31:32 AM PDT by Ingtar (...right wing conservatives are growing tired of crawling on bloody stumps looking for scraps - JRob)
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To: padre35

It looks like newt is joining the rowe hate fest, what a shame first global warming pandering(sucking up to kerry) by him and now this, what a disgrace


25 posted on 05/31/2007 9:31:52 AM PDT by italianquaker ("blue dog democrats", that dog don't hunt)
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To: jrooney

See post #17


26 posted on 05/31/2007 9:33:23 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Mr. Lucky

Gingerich is about as loyal to the President as he was to his various wives.

True that, Gingrich may be sharp as a tack, it’s in the moral outlook that he falls down and hard.

I must say that I do agree with his view on this though, a candidate pinning themselves to GWB’s policies in 2008 has an excellent chance at losing their bid for election.

In politics a year is a lifetime, I expect many candidates to distance themselves from GWB, that is simply smart strategy.


27 posted on 05/31/2007 9:35:08 AM PDT by padre35 (GWB choose Amnesty as his hill to die on, not Social Security reform.....that speaks much)
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To: AuntB

Great post. Thank you for the link.


28 posted on 05/31/2007 9:35:30 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: padre35; Lx; kellynla
Gingrich is following his own strategy, he says quite plainly what he thinks that Republicans in 2008 should do to “win”.

I think Gingrich is a better strategist than Rove by orders of magnitude. Gingrich engineered the 1994 Republican takeover of the House after 40 years of Democrat domination (the longest in US history). Rove barely eked out a victory for W in 2000, and the most anemic successful reelection campaign since 1916.

29 posted on 05/31/2007 9:37:44 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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30 posted on 05/31/2007 9:39:10 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Put illegals on ICE)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Three generations.

You are forgetting Prescott Bush who as a board member of Union Banking Corporation had property seized by President Franklin Roosevelt under the Trading with the Enemy Act. He was reimbursed after the war $1.5 million which was used as seed money for the Bush family’s Texas oil ventures.

Prescott Bush was also involved with the eugenics promoting American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947.

And now GW wants to patriate millions of mexican interlopers to beef up the tax rolls and bolster a social security system that has been decimated on the wage earner side by four decades of a country employing abortion as a convenient form of contraception.

The family circle of cause and effect is complete.


31 posted on 05/31/2007 9:39:13 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: kellynla

Subtitle - “To win we don’t need Reagan Democrats, we need liberals and illegal brown people who can’t vote”.

Paraphrase to Gingrich “your wheel had it’s turn, and it is time for you to go again”


32 posted on 05/31/2007 9:41:06 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: kellynla

Newt is trying to rewrite history.

Kerry based his campaign on a single plank, his four months in Viet Nam with the Swift Boats.

The Bush campaign never challenged him on this. Only Kerry’s fellow officers and sailors did.

Bush’s position was that the provision of McCain-Feingold that allowed the Swiftboaters as well as groups on the left to operate was a loophole which should be closed.

Bush actually did run his campaign on the issues. But he had to fight the drive-by media as well as the Rats.

With all due respect to Newt, he had even less success fighting the MSM than Bush has had.


33 posted on 05/31/2007 9:43:26 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: MEGoody
Bush should have CREAMED Kerry.
If Kerry wasn't such a poor candidate, Bush would have lost.
34 posted on 05/31/2007 9:44:41 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: kellynla
The Bush campaign failed to wage a campaign based on ideology, said Gingrich, and instead of suggesting that Kerry was "to the left of Ted Kennedy,” it focused on attacking Kerry’s war record.

I'd say Rove was smart enough not to let Bush run on his ideology; also in the proximity of Kennedy. Tax cuts is the only successful Bush domestic policy that Kennedy hasn't co-championed

35 posted on 05/31/2007 9:46:09 AM PDT by IamConservative (I could never be a liar; there's too much to remember.)
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To: kellynla
Having no problem with “brown” people, since I am sort of a pink brown person myself, and because most “Brown” people are really nice, I still this that Rove has’t a clue. To me the demonstration last year showed that Hispanics are much more likely to ally themselves with the Democratic Party, since they are demanding a larger share of the pie, and that is what the Democrats do best. Bush's push to legalize the illegals will matter little next year. The Hispanics know that the Republican Party won't ever match what the Democrts offer them. After all, Bush will soon be out of office and any Republican nominee is going to offer them less.
36 posted on 05/31/2007 9:47:23 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Bottom line.


37 posted on 05/31/2007 9:49:56 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: kellynla

The RATS neutered Newt a long time ago.


38 posted on 05/31/2007 9:50:23 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: kellynla
Gee, here I thought this was about the 2004 campaign, not immigration.

The Bush campaign failed to wage a campaign based on ideology, said Gingrich, and instead of suggesting that Kerry was "to the left of Ted Kennedy,” it focused on attacking Kerry’s war record.

Sorry Newt, but the Bush campaign never said one negative word about JF'nK's war record. Everybody else in America did, including most of us, but the Bush campaign, no.

39 posted on 05/31/2007 9:53:03 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Mr. Lucky

‘Gingerich is about as loyal to the President as he was to his various wives.’

Or as President Bush has been with those of us that elected, and reelected him. The President knows the base hates the Amnesty crap he keeps trying to shove down our collective throats....so to me he’s just as ‘disloyal’ as anyone alive can be today in American politics.


40 posted on 05/31/2007 9:53:27 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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