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Accept No Substitutes? [Just who are Ron Paul Supporters?]
Blog P.I. ^ | 5/26/07 | William Beutler

Posted on 05/28/2007 2:00:11 PM PDT by bnelson44

Analysis of the GOP Bloggers Straw Poll

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Ron Paul supporters like nobody less than Giuliani — for whom most observers called that debate based on his response to Paul’s “blowback” comments, even as the Ronbots contended that the very same exchange proved Ron Paul the obvious winner.

Unlike supporters of the realistic (and popular, arguably faddish and maybe unrealistic) candidates, Ron Paul supporters apparently would not vote for any other GOP candidate in the Republican primary — though intriguingly, a minority would consider Tancredo.

I submit this as fair evidence that Ron Paul’s online base of support is not drawn from actual Republican party primary voters. Activists for every other candidate have their fallbacks, nemeses and frenemies, but no other group is so far outside the mainstream as the activists for Ron Paul.

Maybe Ron Paul is the GOP vanguard. More likely, his support measures something besides the current Republican mood.


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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gop; paul; poll; rino; ronisright; ronpaul
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To: wideawake

You have no more examples. Yes, you were trying to make a comparison between the writings of the two and who said anything about individual rights and the autobahn?


121 posted on 05/29/2007 8:18:48 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: wideawake
A bizarre statement - seeing that I am defending the system they were instrumental in putting in place against the attacks of moonbats like Lysander Spooner.

No you aren't. If you were, you wouldn't be making false statements about Ron Paul.

122 posted on 05/29/2007 8:20:44 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: wideawake
You keep trying to slander him by stating he's a 9-11 "truther". Or somehow affiliated with them...

In his own words:

Reason: The position of the Student Scholars is that 9/11 was executed by the U.S. government. Do you agree or disagree with that?

Paul: I'd say there's no evidence of that.

Reason: So what did you mean when you told Student Scholars you'd be open to a new 9/11 investigation?

Paul:
Well, I think the more we know about what we went on is good. But I don't think there's any evidence of [an inside job] and I don't believe that. The blame goes to bad policy. And a lot of times bad policy is well-motivated. The people who believe in a one world government are well motivated, but they disagree with me.

123 posted on 05/29/2007 8:27:18 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mysterio
And posting your opinion does not constitute a fact.

If it was only my opinion that Ron Paul's supporters are unclear on the concept, then you'd be right.

However, RP supporters prove me right every day.

Here's a question no RP supporter has ever been able to answer: Is Paul an "originalist" as some RP supporters claim, or is he a "strict constructionist" as other RP supporters claim?

Bonus points for explaining the difference.

124 posted on 05/29/2007 8:32:16 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: tpaine
Surely, you must agree that juries are empowered to apply both the facts and law of the case at hand to decide guilt or innocence?

The jury is indeed empowered to apply the law.

What Spooner and Paul are saying is that the jury is empowered to decide whether the law is a law or not.

125 posted on 05/29/2007 8:33:58 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: P-40
You have no more examples. Yes, you were trying to make a comparison between the writings of the two and who said anything about individual rights and the autobahn?

At this point you are incoherent.

Playing stupid to wiggle out of an argument is childish.

If you are not playing, I apologize and you have my sympathy.

126 posted on 05/29/2007 8:35:30 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: Dead Corpse
No you aren't. If you were, you wouldn't be making false statements about Ron Paul.

Just because you wish the sad truth about Ron Paul were false doesn't make it so.

127 posted on 05/29/2007 8:37:47 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: wideawake

No, you keep trying to change the argument to make some sort of point.


128 posted on 05/29/2007 8:40:04 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: wideawake
An originalist tries to interpret the meaning of the Constitution at the time it was written. A strict constructionalist interprets the plain meaning of the Constitution as it is written.

I can't think of any person who is 100 percent of either of these definitions. But from what I've researched about Paul, if the Constitution doesn't grant the power to federal government in plain language, he votes against the bill. In this way, he seems more of a strict constructionalist. I'm sure you could find evidence of originalist behavior if you were looking for it, though.
129 posted on 05/29/2007 8:42:49 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Dead Corpse
But I don't think there's any evidence of [an inside job] and I don't believe that.

Fascinating, isn't it, that the words "inside job" are bracketed - indicating that they were not part of what Paul said.

And, of course, the "truthers" fall into two camps: the ones that say the Bush administration were actively responsible for the atrocity (the "9/11 was an inside job" species of moonbat or "MIHOP" - "made it happen on purpose" variety) and the ones who say the Bush administration was passively responsible for the atrocity because they knew of the plot and deliberately neglected to act (the more common species of 9/11 moonbat - the "LIHOP" or "let it happen on purpose" crew).

It is the LIHOPers, not the MIHOPers, who are calling for a new investigation of 9/11.

Ron Paul, interestingly, is also calling for a new investigation.

What does he believe the new investigation might discover that the first did not?

130 posted on 05/29/2007 8:46:27 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: wideawake
You are trying to paint him as anti-war. He isn't.

You are trying to paint him as an anarchist. He isn't.

You are trying to paint him as a "9-11 truther". He isn't.

What other lies will you tell about him next?

131 posted on 05/29/2007 8:47:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: wideawake

Maybe why Able Danger was ignored? Just a guess. Hell, I’d like to know too...


132 posted on 05/29/2007 8:49:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: wideawake
"-- juries have the right to usurp the Constitutional right of the Supreme Court to rule on the constitutionality of legislative statutes.

Juries have the right to disagree with the Supreme Court, - when the courts rulings on the constitutionality of legislative statutes, - infringe upon the Constitutional rights of individuals.

Surely, you must agree that juries are empowered to apply both the facts and law of the case at hand to decide guilt or innocence?

The jury is indeed empowered to apply the law.

And applying the Law of the Land, as the jury understands it, is not usurping the power of the USSC, correct?

What Spooner and Paul are saying is that the jury is empowered to decide whether the law is a law or not.

All officials are empowered [and indeed are bound] to support and defend the Law of the Land as they understand it.
Can you agree that jurors are officials of the court and are so bound?

133 posted on 05/29/2007 9:10:34 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Dead Corpse

As someone who has actually read the 9/11 Commission Report, I have a great many things I would like answered. Most of them involve holding accountable the specific individuals who dropped the ball...repeatedly.


134 posted on 05/29/2007 9:14:51 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40

I can think of two: Gorelick and Tennet.


135 posted on 05/29/2007 9:18:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: wideawake
Wideawake speciously frames a 'question':

Here's a question no RP supporter has ever been able to answer: Is Paul an "originalist" as some RP supporters claim, or is he a "strict constructionist" as other RP supporters claim?

The man is a supporter of our Constitution both as it was originally written and as it was strictly constructed.

Bonus points for explaining the difference.

Any difference you see is only what you want to see, - in your mind.

Bogus points to you if you can explain your "originalist" vs "strict constructionist" false dichotomy.

136 posted on 05/29/2007 9:29:57 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Dead Corpse
You are trying to paint him as anti-war. He isn't.

So his laudatory profile page on antiwar.com is just a put-on, right? And his su[pport for defunding our forces overseas was just a joke, right?

You are trying to paint him as an anarchist. He isn't.

I didn't say he was. I just pointed out that he is a big fan of an anarchist ideologue named Lysander Spooner and that he is a popular guy among those who call themselves "anarchocapitalists" like the crew at lewrockwell.com.

It would be weird for a government employee to actually be an anarchist, wouldn't it?

You are trying to paint him as a "9-11 truther". He isn't.

Oh, of course not. He counts prominent 9/11 "truther" Alex Jones among his fans, and he went on Alex Jones' talk show. And he's calling for the repeal of the Patriot Act and a "new investigation" into 9/11 - the number one and two domestic policy goals of the majority of "truthers."

I have no idea why anyone would look askance at all that.

What other lies will you tell about him next?

There is so much wrong with Ron Paul it would be superfluous to make up new things about him.

137 posted on 05/29/2007 9:31:05 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: tpaine
Bogus points to you if you can explain your "originalist" vs "strict constructionist" false dichotomy.

One of your compatriots answered that already in post 129.

He's aware of the distinction even if you are not.

Here's a clue: an originalist tries to discern what the intent of the Framers was in drafting the Constitution and attempts to hew to their understanding of the Constitution.

A strict constructionist treats the Constitution as a self-contained document and attempts to interpret it on its own terms without reference to external factors like the intent of the Framers.

Please ping me again when you have decided to take such matters seriously.

138 posted on 05/29/2007 9:37:48 AM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" - Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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To: wideawake
You aren't interested in debate are you? Just toss as much mud as possible, ignore factual rebuttals, and keep the bit in your teeth.

I'm done with you...

139 posted on 05/29/2007 9:42:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: mysterio
An originalist tries to interpret the meaning of the Constitution at the time it was written. A strict constructionalist interprets the plain meaning of the Constitution as it is written.

You said the same thing twice. A plain reading of the Constitution is not in conflict with a "constructionist" view. Nor the other way around.

140 posted on 05/29/2007 9:44:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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