Posted on 05/28/2007 2:00:11 PM PDT by bnelson44
Analysis of the GOP Bloggers Straw Poll
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Ron Paul supporters like nobody less than Giuliani — for whom most observers called that debate based on his response to Paul’s “blowback” comments, even as the Ronbots contended that the very same exchange proved Ron Paul the obvious winner.
Unlike supporters of the realistic (and popular, arguably faddish and maybe unrealistic) candidates, Ron Paul supporters apparently would not vote for any other GOP candidate in the Republican primary — though intriguingly, a minority would consider Tancredo.
I submit this as fair evidence that Ron Paul’s online base of support is not drawn from actual Republican party primary voters. Activists for every other candidate have their fallbacks, nemeses and frenemies, but no other group is so far outside the mainstream as the activists for Ron Paul.
Maybe Ron Paul is the GOP vanguard. More likely, his support measures something besides the current Republican mood.
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They also tend to be a little bit nutty, prefering to stick their head in the sand and pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist.
I can explain it to you, but I cannot comprehend it for you.
Could you come up with some more specific examples?
You apparently cannot even handle the first example I gave you.
Ron Paul is anti-slavery also...so I guess he has that in common with Spooner.
Ron Paul also eats food and sleeps in beds, just like Spooner did.
What are germane are not the many things Spooner had in common with other people, but the distinct aspects of his political philosophy that differentiate him from other thinkers.
His differentiating factors are quite simply his advocacy of anarchism - and his outlining of specific tactics to be used in undermining the government of the United States and its Constitution.
Ron Paul eats and sleeps and theoretically opposes slavery (although he would be dead set against intervening in the Sudan to end it) - but more to the point he supports Spooner's tactic of using juries to deliberately undermine the Constitutionally-assigned role of the Supreme Court.
The autobahn was "one of the most intrusive government-funded public works projects in Western history?"
Quite a bit of valuable private land was extorted from German citizens for a pittance at a time when land values were at rock bottom due to the Depression.
The regime acquired enormous swaths of land for pfennige on the mark from people who didn't have much choice in the matter.
Correct. In other words they were not, as I said, anarchists.
Something you seem to be fighting against.
Because I don't believe that Ron Paul's crackpot agenda should succeed I am somehow against individual liberty?
Bizarre reasoning even for a Ron Paul fan.
Quit mincing words.
he was against intervention in Iraq, period. Not just against "the way it is being done" - a matter in which he possesses zero expertise.
He voted FOR the Afghanistan war though.
Yet he now criticizes that intervention as well, and is now saying that - and I'm not joking but I wish I was - that letters of marque and reprisal would be a more appropriate means of fighting terror.
And you know this quite well.
Doesn't exactly fit your slander of him...
Very few facts "fit" with an entity that does not exist.
Though I can see why a Ron Paul supporter would consider telling the truth about Ron Paul to be slander.
The truth about Ron Paul is damning indeed.
Disagreeing with unpleasant facts doesn't make them go away.
What the Founders were calling "individual liberty", you are calling "anarchy". This puts you diametrically opposed to folks like Jefferson, Paine, Mason, Rawle, Story, ect...
I'd say that makes YOU the "crackpot".
You aren't another one of those "obedience to the State is the only true freedom" types are you?
So that's what Paul supporters call wanting to ignore threats from other countries?
What was the rest of the sentence I wrote?
"Physician, heal thyself..."
"Physician, heal thyself..."
Dedicating space in your own political manifesto to put a spotlight on Lysander Sponner's key ideas and to promote one of his key initiatives as a valuable one that should be resurrected demonstrates that Ron Paul is an advocate of Spooner and his philosophy.
If Rudolph Giuliani or John McCain wrote a book about their political views and dedicated space in their book praising Vladimir Lenin's What Is To Be Done? and said that Lenin's idea of "turning trade unions into elements of a revolutionary vanguard" was a great idea and that it should be introduced on the contemporary America scene, would anyone argue that this is not proof that McCain or Giuliani was a Leninist?
And your support for your claims about the autobahn clearly don't do it justice either.
Clearly you know nothing about the autobahn or the regime that ruled Germany while it was being built. Do you even know who Fritz Todt was?
Don't you just love affirmative action? Where people are judged by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character. Racism as the official law of the land - who wouldn't be in favor of it?
Who are the Ron Paul supporters? People who subject themselves to at least 2 hours of programing/ brainwashing from command central every day. People who believe every conspiracy theory to come down the pike then try to tell the rest of us that we are crazy. Best to just ignore them.
No, I am calling the Constitutional order the Founders instituted an order of individual libertyn and I am calling the Constitution-abolishing chaos advocated by Lysander Spooner "anarchy."
There is a difference.
This puts you diametrically opposed to folks like Jefferson, Paine, Mason, Rawle, Story, ect...
A bizarre statement - seeing that I am defending the system they were instrumental in putting in place against the attacks of moonbats like Lysander Spooner.
I'd say that makes YOU the "crackpot".
And yet, unlike Ron Paul, I haven't been interviewed on the radio show of Alex Jones, the 9/11 "Truther."
I guess I need to work harder on my crazy.
You aren't another one of those "obedience to the State is the only true freedom" types are you?
The typical false dichotomy of the Ron Paul supporter.
Juries have the right to disagree with the Supreme Court, - when the courts rulings on the constitutionality of legislative statutes, - infringe upon the Constitutional rights of individuals.
Surely, you must agree that juries are empowered to apply both the facts and law of the case at hand to decide guilt or innocence?
Incorrect, but immaterial.
You simply don't understand what the first one means.
except to compare Spooner to Lenin?
If you think I was making such a comparison, I don't know how to help you.
And yes, I am familiar with the building of the autobahn and Todt...that is why I find your claim so specious.
Oh, really? Then tell us about how respectful of individual rights the building of the autobahn was, how little government involvement there was and why Fritz Todt was such a champion of free markets and liberty.
Except for the slave laborers employed by the OT of course.
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