I wouldn’t be surprised if it was even higher than that. I’ve been telling people for a long time now that if they did give full amnesty to all illegals in the country, we’d all be utterly shocked at the numbers of them. I think even illegals would be shocked how many of them there are.
Hmmm... 36 Million, huh?
I always guess-timated 50 Million!
In any case, those 12 mil figures are bs, and they know it.
My 50 mil figure may still be closer to the truth—or...I may be on the low side!
Our gubernut at work.
I have preached for years that we were closer to 40 million intruders than 12 million.
Friends won’t even spend time with me anymore over this topic. If we ride together, I am forbidden from bringing it all up.
I am about to gloat really strongly.
Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
There are some who believe that there are 12 million in California alone.
I’ve always felt at least 30 million have entered this country illegally.
I get a kick out of those who’ve been using the 12 million figure for years now.
Well, we know the pols and the MSM have about worn out the “12 Million” number. Seems like they’ve used it for too many years.
BTT!
I’d rather have this issue wait till the next election. Let the next president decide.
They file to receive Earned Income tax credit funds, and not to actually PAY taxes...
Theodore Roosevelt’s ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
“In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
-— Theodore Roosevelt 1907
“This report was prepared by the Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Committee on Homeland Security that is chaired by Representative Michael T. McCaul. The revelations in this report were no less than astounding and verify the worst concerns of those who have been complaining about the disastrous situation along our nation’s southwestern border. According to the report, it is estimated that anywhere from 4 million to 10 million illegal aliens entered the United States illegally in 2005.”
http://www.911fsa.org/articles/art2006oct22.html
UP TO 10 MILLION ENTERED JUST IN 2005
"In 1996 the Internal Revenue Service created the Individual Tax Identification Number (ITIN) to enable it to collect taxes from non-resident foreign investors who earned taxable income in the United States, but who were not legal permanent residents or citizens, and thus did not qualify for a Social Security number. In an apparent attempt to increase tax revenue through increased tax compliance, the agency decided also to allow illegal immigrants to obtain ITINs, and has actively promoted their use in cooperation with immigrant advocacy groups. Although the agency maintains the numbers are to be used only for the purpose of filing an income tax return, other entities, including some state motor vehicle agencies, banks, and mortgage lenders, began accepting the ITIN in lieu of customary forms of identification, for the explicit purpose of providing services to illegal aliens, who often lack conventional identification.
"Since 1996 the IRS has issued more than 7.3 million ITINs, of which only two to three million have ever been used on a tax return. A number of experts, including the Treasury Department’s internal auditors, have raised concerns over the years about the ITIN, suggesting that the liberal ITIN issuance policy may be increasing the potential for fraud, enabling illegal immigrants to receive benefits to which they are not entitled, and creating law enforcement problems.
"The IRS has resisted pressure to cease issuing ITINs to illegal aliens, arguing that its top priority is to encourage tax compliance. This may be a result, but the practice apparently has not increased tax revenue, and so is of questionable value – in fact the IRS has issued more in tax refunds and credits than it has collected in taxes from illegal aliens.
"The Treasury Department’s auditors studied the use of ITINs in the tax year 2001.22 About 530,000 Form 1040s were filed that year by aliens not authorized to work and using ITINs. The total tax liability of these returns was $184 million, after deductions and credits on total taxes due of $495 million. More than half of the returns reported no tax liability, and $522 million in tax refunds were claimed on these returns. Typically, most of the tax collection from illegal aliens (and all taxpayers) occurs as a result of withholding by employers, not in voluntary tax filings. As one Arizona tax preparer put it, when ITIN-bearing tax filers learn that their bottom line will not be a refund, "they walk."
"More than half of the ITIN returns included W-2 forms listing someone else’s Social Security number, and one in four of the individuals failed to report other wages and compensation for which they should have paid taxes.
BTTT
There are at least 12 million in Cali alone. (Yes, I’ve been unbanned.)
What was fat Ted saying about bringing them out of the shadows?
They have become slaves and don’t even realize it.
AP July 8, 2006 -- A woman was sentenced to three to six years in prison for helping run an identity-fraud ring that supplied fake driver's licenses, Social Security cards and resident-alien IDs to thousands of people. Maricruz Chavez, 31, of Queens, pleaded guilty last month to attempted enterprise corruption. She was sentenced on Thursday to three to six years in prison and made to forfeit $7,560. Queens prosecutors said Chavez admitted to running the ring. The investigation has led to 17 other convictions. More than 5,000 forged government-ID documents were seized, including 700 driver's licenses from 11 states, prosecutors said.
SOURCE http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/id_fraud_gal_gets_3_to_6_regionalnews_.htm
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Some Immigrants Are Offering Social Security Numbers for Rent
NY Times | 6/7/2005 | EDUARDO PORTER
FR Posted on 06/06/2005 by nj26
Gerardo Luviano is looking for somebody to rent his Social Security number. Mr. Luviano, 39, obtained legal residence in the United States almost 20 years ago. But these days, back in Mexico, teaching beekeeping at the local high school in this hot, dusty town in the southwestern part of the country, Mr. Luviano is not using his Social Security number.
So he is looking for an illegal immigrant in the United States to use it for him - providing a little cash along the way. "I've almost managed to contact somebody to lend my number to," Mr. Luviano said. "My brother in California has a friend who has crops and has people that need one."
Mr. Luviano's pending transaction is merely a blip in a shadowy yet vibrant underground market. Virtually undetected by American authorities, operating below the radar in immigrant communities from coast to coast, a secondary trade in identities has emerged straddling both sides of the Mexico-United States border. The number of people participating in the illegal deals is impossible to determine accurately.
But it is clearly significant, flourishing despite efforts to combat identity fraud."There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season." The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction. Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund.
Since legal American residents can lose their green cards if they stay outside the country too long, for those who have returned to Mexico it is useful to have somebody working under their identity north of the border. "There are people who live in Mexico who take $4,000 or $5,000 in unemployment in the off season," said Jorge Eguiluz, a labor contractor working in the fields around Stockton, Calif. "They just lend the number during the season."The deals also generate cash in other ways. Most identity lending happens within an extended family, or among immigrants from the same hometown. But it is still a hard-nosed transaction.
Illegal immigrant workers usually earn so little they are owed an income tax refund at the end of the year. The illegal immigrant "working the number" will usually pay the real owner by sharing the tax refund. "Sometimes the one who is working doesn't mind giving all the refund, he just wants to work," said Fernando Rosales, who runs a shop preparing income taxes in the immigrant-rich enclave of Huntington Park, Calif. "But others don't, and sometimes they fight over it. We see that all the time. It's the talk of the place during income tax time."
The income tax "refund" is almost certainly generated by Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) fraud, which as a "legal resident" the number renter would qualify to receive, especially if they have have or claim children. The EITC is a "refundable tax credit, which means the IRS will pay it out even if no taxes have been withheld or paid in. So the IRS gives filers who claim the EITC "refunds," even if they have had no taxes withheld. These number renters can claim up to $4,400 for the 2005 tax year in EITC "refunds," most of the number renters probably claim this maximum refund.