Chertoff Warns of 'Silent Amnesty' on Immigration

Newsmax ^ | May 24, 2007 | Reuters

[omnivore]

"The jobs Americans won't do:"

1. Prevent Al Queda from Egypt crossing the Southern or Northern border to inflitrate the US.
2. Prevent Al Queda from Indonesia crossing the Southern or Northern border to infiltrate the US.
3. Prevent Al Queda from Pakistan crossing the Southern or Northern border to infiltrate the US.

I confess I have less of a problem than a lot of other people with Mexicans and those from other friendly countries who come here to work, especially doing "the jobs Americans won't do." My compromise solution is, could we maybe hire a Mexican to do the job Chertoff won't do?

[nicollo]

Dog, as Grant said there’s no better way to get rid of a bad law than to enforce it. Stop and think, honestly, about what a serious deportation program would entail: 12+ million people! It’s the equivalent of the nuke-em now scheme for dealing with the Middle East.

Ain’t gonna happen.

The very best we can hope for in this situation is some kind of freeze of what we have now with a overall downgrade of the migrant flow. Meanwhile, we don’t want illegals to become citizens; we cannot send them all home; and the market demands their labor. Contradiction rules.

What needs to stop is the continuing flow. But even here the process contradicts the solution: if we were to effectively cut off the migration flow, we would strand millions of illegals in the country. So back to deportation — or amnesty of some sort. The anti-immigration laws of 1924 cut off inflows of European migration. It also cut-off the outflows. Prior to that law, over half of Italian immigrants stayed a while and then left the country; after 1924, nearly all of them stayed. Border and migration/flow control will only result in isolation of the people who are here now. And Chertoff is absolutely correct that it is politically impossible to deport those who remain. Impossible. It’s a reality that we must face; otherwise we’re just bitching and, worse, fantasizing towards self-defeat.

The reasonable solution is to accommodate “return migration” through temporary permits, discourage settlement through employer-based documentation, and discourage illegal transit through increased border enforcement.

Any one of those solutions alone is self-defeating. Only balanced together can any of it work. I’m terrifically sad that the Republican congress was incapable of dealing with this situation. Now we’re stuck with dims who only want amnesty and don’t give a damn for enforcement. I believe that pressure from enforcement-only scared the Pubbies congress away from a more reasonable balance of strategies.

[exit82]

Chertoff needs borking. The arrogance of this clown is breathtaking.

No wonder our border is like a sieve, almost six years after 9/11. With this idiot, gushing over Ted Kennedy like a schoolgirl and lying his rear end off about the “horrors” of not passing this America killing legislation, no wonder we are in the shape we are.

This man is administratively responsible for ICE, which is completely INCAPABLE of doing the things contained in this bill.

We gave three million amnesty in 1986, gave Mexico NAFTA in 1994, rescued their crappy peso to the tune of $ 15 billion in 1995, and suffer daily under the thousands of new illegals and drugs pouring across our border daily.

Mexico gives us no oil deals, and has not contributed tot he War on Terror. Oh, yeah, and thanks for the help to New Orleans after Katrina—oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Gee, $ 23 billion in remittances a year, and nothing to give back.

This man needs to resign. He insults us law abiding, tax paying, play by the rules American with every statement he makes, and shows his contempt for us, his bosses.

He needs a tune-up.

I’m beginning to think that the whole of our government is contaminated with anti American technocrats like this boob.
If so, can it be salvaged?

[Calvin Locke]

Nah, make an incremental fine. Starting at, say $10,000. Oh, and first offense, no-fly list for one year, and loss of passport for five years. If it's a publicly listed company, and the BOD doesn't immediately fire those responsible, pierce the corporate cloak, and fine the BOD, including no-fly list and loss of passport.

No more jetting off to Gstaad and Cannes for the weekend. Heck, no more jetting off to Aspen or Martha's Vineyard either, for a while.

That will tighten up a few sphincters.

Start tripling the fines after that. Maybe a year doing custodial service in ICE detention centers, they love illegals so much.

Or building the fences and cleaning up after the illegals' trash.

[investigateworld]

Excellent, the country club crowd don’t do well in prison. Every two bit punk shakes them down for ‘rent’.

[stylin19a]

that would be funny if it wasn’t so true..

[Digger]

And he doesn't seem to understand what Homeland Security means. The only thing worse then a traitor is a traitor who's an incompetent idiot.

No - the useful idiot for the other faction of this corrupt "Two-Party Cartel". Yeah - the one I have been telling you about for well over a decade.

[Digger]

Chertoff - the gift from Fruity Giuliani that keeps on giving (unlike one of Fruity's other "gifts" to the nation, Bernie Kerik - that box got turned over and looked at properly). Even BJ Clinton kept Chertoff around (the only US attorney from GHWB tenture whom wasn't replaced that year) on staff. He was as helpful as a sack of soggy sausages during the Whitewater investigations as well... And he is candidate #1 to replace Gonzales for AG should that position become available for one reason or another. YIPPEE!!

Damn right. Expose this whole corrupt cesspool in D.C. Why you all keep voting in this "Two-Party Cartel" & get shite on every single time defies any rational.

[Duke Nukum]

Yeah - the one I have been telling you about for well over a decade.

I don't think I know you for over a decade.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>The reasonable solution is to accommodate “return migration” through temporary permits, discourage settlement through employer-based documentation, and discourage illegal transit through increased border enforcement.<<

As long as we don’t go crazy by issuing too many temporary permits, and we enforce the employer penalties in good faith. But before we can enact decent laws, we need to elect better people to work in Washington.

[esoxmagnum]

Excellent post. Thank you.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>I am grossly ashamed for the personal efforts and monies I contributed towards both of the elections and the continued support I gave George Bush and his administration.<<

Your senators and Bush may not care what you think, but the RNC cares about fundraising. If they ask for money with a pre-paid envelope, stick this in it:

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>”We are bowing to reality,” Chertoff said.<<

In other words, bend over. We are going to do this whether you like it or not.

[athelass]

<> Listen, why don't they start with the 50,000 or so inmates in California prisons and jails? They are easy enough to find. We can't build prisons fast enough to support them. Illegals are %40 of our prison population here! Start deporting the non-violent criminals, their families will follow them home, guaranteed. This isn't rocket science, for crying out loud! BTW, great post Exit82. Very well said.

[Tennessee Nana]

BTTT

[Netizen]

The teary eyed will be Americans trying to pay for social services for the Mexicans!

The teary eyed will be Americans trying to pay for social services for the Mexicans..... while being unable to pay for their own!

[ZULU]

Micahel Chertoff - Bush Puppet speaks.

[Gideon Reader]

Well,...I’ll tell you Ding (not having seen you do your stuff)I enclosed my State & National party membership cards and loooooong and comprehensive letters, in more specific detail that any bill produced by those assclowns on the Hill have produced,telling them EXACTLY why they are not getting anymore dollars or grass roots participation from me.
They got mailed to the respective HQ’s at their expense.
A letter from me may not mean bupkis to them, however lots of letters from people like me (well, not like ME)may get their attention.
But they are pretty incompetent. They may NOT get what is occurring.
I am waiting for Marvelous Mel Martinez’s next plea and paean of braggadocio to send in my masterpiece.

[Gideon Reader]

You talkin’ ta me?
YOU TALKIN’ ta ME??

Exactly what are you talking about. A communication sans a subject reference is pretty useless.

[TN4Liberty]

However, if employers would be fined $500,000 for hiring illegal labor and the second infraction would carry a jail sentence of one year, I don’t think we’d have to force them to leave. They would not be hired anywhere, and of course, it goes without saying that NO social services should be granted to those here illegally.

I'm sypathetic to your cause, but I don't think that is the answer either. First, if jobs were cut off here, it may stem the tide, but if there are no jobs here and no jobs in Mexico, why would they leave? Second, at least some number of the newly unemployed could be expected to go into underground businesses, likely some criminal in nature. Third, it is not politically feasible to refuse emergency medical services to a sick kid, legal or not. The media and the democrats live for that kind of story. And that is the slippery slope that ends up with something akin to free healthcare. While it is logically right, it is just not politically possible.

I think this debate is too hung up on what we will do with the people already here. As they say, perfect is the enemy of good. In this case, "good" would be shutting down the borders to new illegal immigrants. Once that is done, we can have the discussion about what to do about the folks who are here. I bet they won't go anywhere while we decide. :)

But while we continue to discuss whether or not something is "amnesty," the borders are still open and the flood continues. Until the government shows it is willing to close the borders, promises to do something... anything... to stop illegal immigration will have no credibility with me.