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To: dirtboy

Illegals have no way to fix the legal immigration process, and it does not seem to be a priority in Congress or anywhere else.

The difference between illegals coming here and someone breaking into my house is that I’m harmed by people breaking into my house.

There is plenty of economic activity in this country that could not exist without the contributions of illegals. I believe that overall the nation benefits from this.

If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

I would like to see hospitals that can treat people cost-effectively, schools that can actually educate people comptently at reasonable costs, and so on.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

What’s with that?

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13 posted on 05/25/2007 5:13:16 AM PDT by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: daviddennis
Illegals have no way to fix the legal immigration process, and it does not seem to be a priority in Congress or anywhere else.

So they can just break the law, eh?

The difference between illegals coming here and someone breaking into my house is that I’m harmed by people breaking into my house.

We're harmed by illegals, too. Check out the hospitals closing because of unpaid medical treatment to illegals. Check out the overcrowded schools. Ask the families of those killed by illegal drunk drivers if they are not hurt by illegal immigration.

There is plenty of economic activity in this country that could not exist without the contributions of illegals. I believe that overall the nation benefits from this.

Business owners who don't want to pay the going rate for labor benefits. Everyone else gets screwed.

Farming is much more mechanized in Europe. As long as we have a ready supply of illegal labor, farmers will just rely on that.

If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

Well, that ain't happening, either. This bill would make matters worse.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

I'm not defending them. But I'm paying for them.

16 posted on 05/25/2007 5:19:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: daviddennis
If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

I would like to see hospitals that can treat people cost-effectively, schools that can actually educate people comptently at reasonable costs, and so on.

You go right ahead and get our elected officials to fix those problems AND to secure our borders and THEN we can begin the discussion of what to do about addressing illegal immigrants.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

What’s with that?

The depth of what you don't understand, or willfully ignore, is astounding.

I'll criticize these systems 'til the cows come home. But right now our government has them in place therefore I break my back to pay for them. You really don't understand why I don't want 12 - 20 million people who aren't paying in to pile on?

19 posted on 05/25/2007 5:43:12 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: daviddennis; All
There is plenty of economic activity in this country that could not exist without the contributions of illegals. I believe that overall the nation benefits from this.

Sorry, believe what you want, but all studies prove you are wrong. If we didn't have 20 million aliens in this country, we wouldn't need all the JOBS, HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS, etc. that they use, would we?

Now as for trying to use Reagan as your excuse...forget that.

What Would Reagan Do? A look into The Reagan Diaries for immigration help.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839762/posts

I think Ed Meese knew Reagan a lot better than you and he disagrees with you completely.

[snip]"Twenty-one years later, Washington debates another immigration bill. Meese’s colleague Brian Darling, the Heritage Foundation’s director of Senate relations, warns: “This compromise is much more harmful for America than the ’86 amnesty. The Z-Visa and pathway to citizenship contain minimal fees and fines that don’t change the fact that this is a 1986 style Amnesty. The triggers new deportable offenses and border security are window dressing for the massive Amnesty Z visas. This is the 1986 Amnesty all over again on a massive scale.”

What would Reagan do? For a start, he’d probably look to history, and avoid making the same miscalculation twice.

34 posted on 05/25/2007 12:38:07 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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