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Ronald Reagan on Immigration (via Volokh Conspiracy blog)
Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 05/25/2007 | Ronald Reagan

Posted on 05/25/2007 4:33:54 AM PDT by daviddennis

Ronald Reagan on Immigration:

Conservative Republican have been outdoing each other in claiming the mantle of Ronald Reagan. Ironically, however, many conservatives are simultaneously outdoing each other in advocating immigration restriction - a stance Reagan would probably have abhorred.

As Reagan biographer Lou Cannon points out in this book (pg. 119), Reagan proposed a treaty allowing for full freedom of movement for all workers throughout North America in his November 1979 speech announcing his candidacy for the presidency. As early as 1952 - at a time when US immigration policy was still governed by the highly restrictive Immigration Act of 1924 - Reagan gave a speech embracing nearly unlimited immigration:

I . . . have thought of America as a place in the divine scheme of things that was set aside as a promised land . . . [A]nd the price of admission was very simple . . . Any place in the world and any person from these places; any person with the courage, with the desire to tear up their roots, to strive for freedom, to attempt and dare to live in a strange and foreign place, to travel halfway across the world was welcome here . . . I believe that God in shedding his grace on this country has always in this divine scheme of things kept an eye on our land and guided it as a promised land for these people. (emphasis added).

Cannon, pg. 119.

Almost forty years later, in his January 1989 farewell message to the nation, Reagan struck a similar theme:

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. (emphasis added)

In between, Reagan pushed for his 1979 North American accord proposal (which eventually became the NAFTA treaty), and signed the 1986 immigration reform law that amnestied almost 3 million illegal immigrants in exchange for relatively weak enforcement measures.

As his 1979 proposal and his support for the 1986 amnesty suggest, Reagan did not demonize illegal immigrants as all too many conservatives do today. He sought instead to enable them to legalize their status, and helped set many on the road to citizenship. In a 1977 radio address, he criticized "the illegal alien fuss" and suggested that illegal aliens may "actually [be] doing work our own people won't do."

While Reagan's rhetorical embrace of "anyone" who wants to come the US probably should be taken literally, it certainly indicates a generally positive attitude towards large-scale immigration from all parts of the world.

The fact that Reagan supported something does not by itself prove that it is right, or even that it is the right position for conservatives. Reagan certainly made his share of mistakes, such as the extremely grave error of trading arms for hostages with Iran. But as Cannon notes, Reagan's positive attitude towards immigration was not just an isolated issue position, but was integrally linked to his generally optimistic and open vision of America. I would add that it also drew on his understanding that America is not a zero-sum game between immigrants and natives - just as he also recognized that it is not a zero-sum game between the rich and the poor. Immigration could promote prosperity and advancement for both groups in much the same way that free trade benefits both Americans and foreigners. Reagan probably did not have a detailed understanding of the economics of comparative advantage which underpins this conclusion. But he surely understood it intuitively. Those who reject Reagan's position on immigration must, if they are to be consistent, also reject much of the rest of his approach to economic and social policy. Today's conservatives can argue for immigration restrictions if they so choose. But they should not claim the mantle of Reagan in doing so.



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Ronald Reagan said that we should always look at the positive side of things, and that this was the right way to be a conservative. He had a tremendous belief in freedom, and I think the dark clouds of pessimism that many conservatives seem to embrace would be as alien to him as the Soviet tyranny he fought so well.

I find it very sad that many of my fellow conservatives are so profoundly negative about immigration, when it built our country from nothing. I think we are letting prejudice against other cultures blind us to the dynamism new immigrants and their fresh ideas represent - and yes, I mean illegal immigrants too, who risk their lives to come here.

This makes me feel profoundly sad and so I thought it was appropriate to post these quotes of our greatest leader, the one that inspired more conservatives than anyone before or since.

I don't expect people to agree - we are too overwhelmed by pessimism. But I'd like people to think about where we are going, from the warm acceptance of the Statue of Liberty to the "throw 'em out" mean spiritedness of today.

1 posted on 05/25/2007 4:33:55 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis
I find it very sad that many of my fellow conservatives are so profoundly negative about immigration, when it built our country from nothing.

I'm not negative about immigration.

I am negative about ILLEGAL immigration. Capice?

2 posted on 05/25/2007 4:35:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: daviddennis

All we wanna throw out is the illegals, and then have everybody who wants in to apply correctly. Simple as that, and I have no doubt Reagan would agree. Reagan’s position on amnesty in 1986 was incorrect but out of fairness I went along back then. Now we have hindsight and thus no excuse.

BTW, I stopped reading at the “grave mistake” remark regarding Iran-Contra.


3 posted on 05/25/2007 4:37:54 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: daviddennis
There's a difference between welcoming immigrants who do so in accordance with our laws and desire to become Americans and in welcoming aliens who break our laws and show no desire to assimilate into this country. Ronald Reagan would have understood the difference. He also believed amnesty was a one shot deal. Time has demonstrated it hasn't worked and there's no reason to believe it would work any better this time around.

Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

4 posted on 05/25/2007 4:39:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: daviddennis

So your recommendation is to whistle a happy tune as we are lead to the guillotine?

It may improve the last five minutes...

...but the end result will be the same.


5 posted on 05/25/2007 4:40:57 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; dirtboy

Mark Steyn commented that the legal immigration system is ossified and incompetent and incapable of processing the people that it does, let alone additional immigrants.

I applaud the illegals for defying sluggish and incompetent bureaucracy and taking things in their own hands.

Don’t we, as Americans, have a proud history of doing exactly that in our own country?

I think it’s something many of us would admire in circumstances when they applied to us or other Americans. We are a nation of bureaucracy defiers, not sheeple ... right?

D


6 posted on 05/25/2007 4:46:13 AM PDT by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: daviddennis
Mark Steyn commented that the legal immigration system is ossified and incompetent and incapable of processing the people that it does, let alone additional immigrants.

Then fix the legal immigration process.

I applaud the illegals for defying sluggish and incompetent bureaucracy and taking things in their own hands.

Those go-getters also go and get illegal documents - a felony. Many avoid paying taxes at all. They crowd into homes and lower property values. Gang membership is rife.

My first wife was a legal immigrant. They managed to come over just fine under the existing system.

8 posted on 05/25/2007 4:49:30 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: daviddennis

Reagan pursued policies for 20+ years ago (and was wrong then).

The world has changed. And immigration has changed.

And Reagan would also say ‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.’


9 posted on 05/25/2007 4:52:24 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: daviddennis

What utter garbage....your post gets the “Most Worthless post on this topic” award. I think you’ll win hands down.

You want people to break the law and take things in their own hands because the legal system is not working as efficiently as you would like. LMAO - are you ready to apply the same logic to child molestors, murderers, etc.? Given your weird sense of ethics, I wouldn’t be surprised.


10 posted on 05/25/2007 5:02:35 AM PDT by indcons
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To: sergeantdave
Reagan believed in immigrants who pulled their own weight, not the ones trying to live off the system.
11 posted on 05/25/2007 5:03:13 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: daviddennis
I applaud the illegals for defying sluggish and incompetent bureaucracy and taking things in their own hands.

That's like me offering a standing ovation to someone breaking into your home and stealing your belongings because "at least they're showing initiative".

(Admit it. You've been drinking President Bush's "special" Margarita Mix haven't you, amigo?)


12 posted on 05/25/2007 5:08:02 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: dirtboy

Illegals have no way to fix the legal immigration process, and it does not seem to be a priority in Congress or anywhere else.

The difference between illegals coming here and someone breaking into my house is that I’m harmed by people breaking into my house.

There is plenty of economic activity in this country that could not exist without the contributions of illegals. I believe that overall the nation benefits from this.

If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

I would like to see hospitals that can treat people cost-effectively, schools that can actually educate people comptently at reasonable costs, and so on.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

What’s with that?

D


13 posted on 05/25/2007 5:13:16 AM PDT by daviddennis (If you like my stuff, please visit amazing.com, my new social networking site!)
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To: daviddennis

H-m-m-m-m

One person has committed 15 bank robberies in my state - he hasn’t been captured yet. Perhaps he’s just defying the sluggish and incompetent bank withdrawal process.


14 posted on 05/25/2007 5:14:15 AM PDT by tropical
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To: daviddennis
You probably need to avert your eyes if you want to stay positive on illegal immigration.
15 posted on 05/25/2007 5:15:28 AM PDT by ruination
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To: daviddennis
Illegals have no way to fix the legal immigration process, and it does not seem to be a priority in Congress or anywhere else.

So they can just break the law, eh?

The difference between illegals coming here and someone breaking into my house is that I’m harmed by people breaking into my house.

We're harmed by illegals, too. Check out the hospitals closing because of unpaid medical treatment to illegals. Check out the overcrowded schools. Ask the families of those killed by illegal drunk drivers if they are not hurt by illegal immigration.

There is plenty of economic activity in this country that could not exist without the contributions of illegals. I believe that overall the nation benefits from this.

Business owners who don't want to pay the going rate for labor benefits. Everyone else gets screwed.

Farming is much more mechanized in Europe. As long as we have a ready supply of illegal labor, farmers will just rely on that.

If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

Well, that ain't happening, either. This bill would make matters worse.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

I'm not defending them. But I'm paying for them.

16 posted on 05/25/2007 5:19:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: daviddennis

We’re profoundly negative about immigration because there are no frontiers to colonize and because the immigrants are not becoming Americans - they’re balkanizing the culture creating stresss lines along which our society will eventually fracture. They’re more like invading barbarians than they are “immigrants.”
Also, previous waves of immigrants paid for their own services. The current wave is consuming public services and tax dollars and contributing little or nothing.
Finally, We’ve got too much multi-culti PC BS to melt them into the American culture.


17 posted on 05/25/2007 5:30:35 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Larry Lucido

Actually, I don’t even want to throw out the illegals. I want the border secured. Then we can talk about what do about the illegals already here.
After all, not all illegals are equal - we should be looking at throwing out any of them with any record of a violent crime. Other illegals might qualify as guest workers - but don’t let them bring their families over...
Finally, we need to eliminate “anchor babies.”


18 posted on 05/25/2007 5:32:59 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: daviddennis
If our social services are strained by the presence of illegals, then we should change the way our social services are run and what benefits are provided.

I would like to see hospitals that can treat people cost-effectively, schools that can actually educate people comptently at reasonable costs, and so on.

You go right ahead and get our elected officials to fix those problems AND to secure our borders and THEN we can begin the discussion of what to do about addressing illegal immigrants.

It’s funny that people who criticse our welfare and educational systems are the first to defend them when illegals come up.

What’s with that?

The depth of what you don't understand, or willfully ignore, is astounding.

I'll criticize these systems 'til the cows come home. But right now our government has them in place therefore I break my back to pay for them. You really don't understand why I don't want 12 - 20 million people who aren't paying in to pile on?

19 posted on 05/25/2007 5:43:12 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Little Ray
“...we need to eliminate “anchor babies.””

Yes making an instant citizen of an illegal alien offspring is just rewarding and providing an incentive for illegal entry.

Other countries like El Salvador have tougher citizenship requirements. If I married a Salvadoran and lived there for 30 years seeking citizenship I would still be an alien seeking temporary extensions every year.

Yep, “Give me your tired, your poor”... but no more wet backs. We need to limit the amount of legal immigrants too.

If the Greens were serious about the environment instead of just using it as an issue to raise money they would be all over this issue. The environmental impact of massive illegal immigration is being ignored. Already large tracts of land (even parts of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument) are now trashed, dirty, crime-ridden, and/or overpopulated due to steady streams of immigrants. Native born Whites have acheived ZPG but the environmentalists have not said “thank you”. Instead we’re still the bad guys somehow as the population explodes via immigration.

20 posted on 05/25/2007 5:53:36 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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