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To: x; beckysueb
If he'd just said "I desire Peace as much as you do; I deplore bloodshed as much as you do" and stopped there, I wouldn't object to that either.

Here's Davis on the Senate floor, January 10, 1861:

If you will but allow us to separate from you peaceably, since we cannot live peaceably together, to leave with the rights that we had before we were united, since we cannot enjoy them in the Union, then there are many relations which may still subsist between us, drawn from the associations of our struggles from the revolutionary era to the present day, which may be beneficial to you as well as to us.

I think, but am not sure, that Davis went back to Alabama for a period shortly before that speech and tried to talk Alabama politicians out of secession. If true, he was unsuccessful.

The South held out hope and were working for a peaceful separation until early April 1861 when news of northern warship preparations and sailings to unknown Southern destinations became known. The Southern Commissioners in Washington were mislead by words of cabinet member Seward in late March that Fort Sumter would be evacuated. Governor Pickens of South Carolina was similarly misled about the same time by Ward Hill Lamon, Lincoln's personal messenger to the Governor. Once the fleet sailed, the Commissioners called the words of the Lincoln Administration about evacuating Sumter "gross perfidy."

Before the attack on Sumter, the New York Times wondered why Davis and Beauregard had not already attacked Sumter before the fleet sailed south. The following was published by the NYT on April 12. I guess they couldn't or wouldn't see that the South had been holding out for peace until it was clear that a northern fleet was coming.

Why the Southern Commander, be he JEFFERSON DAVIS or Gen. BEAUREGARD, [their caps] has delayed pouring on Sumpter [sic -- tisk, tisk, NYT] his full force, and crushing it beneath an iron hail, if he could; why he has waited until, instead of concentrating his fire in security on one small point, he now has to defend a long straggling line [ten miles of shoreline], from a powerful fleet, it is impossible to tell. The reason may have been political; it may have been that there was not the vaunted readiness; it may have been incompetency; and it is not impossible that when the yawning abyss opened before them with all its horror, they may have lacked the insane courage required for the final leap.

Lincoln had to know that fighting would break out if he sent the fleet. I wonder what would have occurred if Davis had kept the fort supplied with food and instead let Lincoln keep his promise of collecting tariffs on goods intended for Southern ports, an act of war if Lincoln were interdicting foreign ships.

1,152 posted on 05/29/2007 9:03:22 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
Lincoln had to know that fighting would break out if he sent the fleet.

It is not just sending the fleet in play here. The back channel negotiations between Washington and various officials of the New Confederacy and South Carolina promised one thing and then the promise would be broken just as quick

"In a very few days after" (says Governor Pickens,), "another confidentialagent,Colonel Lamon, was sent by the President [Mr. Lincoln], who informed me that he had come to try and arrange for the removal of the garrison, and, when he returned from the fort, asked if a war-vessel could not be allowed to remove them. I replied that no war-vessel could be allowed to enter the harbor on any terms. He said he believed Major Anderson preferred an ordinary steamer, and I agreed that the garrison might be thus removed. He said he hoped to return in a very few days for that purpose." This, it will be remembered, occurred while Mr. Fox was making active, though secret, preparations for his relief expedition.

This duplicity, proved to the South that the Lincoln administration could not be trusted. The Letter to Gov. Pickens telling him that a fleet was en route to resupply Sumter was taken as an "Declaration of War" by the South.
1,159 posted on 05/30/2007 5:44:41 AM PDT by smug (Free Ramos and Compean:)
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To: rustbucket
Already in 1858 at Vicksburg, Davis declared that if a Republican were elected he "would rather appeal to the God of Battles than attempt to live longer in such a Union" even if the result was blood flowing in torrents.

Davis was one of those politicians who talked one way in Washington and the North and another way at home. Maybe all politicians are more or less like that, and if their doubletalk brings good results for the country we forgive them, but Davis's duplicity had the worst possible results.

Davis showed the same duplicity and inability to admit what he was actually doing in his battles within his Democratic Party. Davis couldn't bring himself to admit that his actions were splitting the party and dooming it to defeat.

You can see the same pattern in the weeks leading up to the beginning of war. On March 6, 1861, over a month before firing on Fort Sumter, Davis and the Confederate Congress called for an army of 100,000 volunteers, a force much larger than the US Army. Was that the action of a man who wanted peace?

In his last speech in Congress in January, 1861, Davis had attacked Buchanan for not surrendering Sumter. He had months afterwards to figure out what to do if the United States refused to relinquish the fort, as he had every reason to expect that they wouldn't. And what did he come up with? Nothing, except force. Almost as if he wanted the war to solidify his government's position.

1,203 posted on 05/30/2007 3:48:09 PM PDT by x
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