Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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Lincoln wanted a war, he needed a war, he made a war, he got a war, he won a war.
War, war, war -- that's what it took to break the Union and impose Hamilton's vision, which the People had rejected in 1787.
Madison knew as well:
Federalist, no. 39
James Madison
16 Jan. 1788
That it will be a federal and not a national act, as these terms are understood by the objectors, the act of the people as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation, is obvious from this single consideration that it is to result neither from the decision of a majority of the people of the Union, nor from that of a majority of the States. It must result from the unanimous assent of the several States that are parties to it, differing no other wise from their ordinary assent than in its being expressed, not by the legislative authority, but by that of the people themselves. Were the people regarded in this transaction as forming one nation, the will of the majority of the whole people of the United States, would bind the minority; in the same manner as the majority in each State must bind the minority; and the will of the majority must be determined either by a comparison of the individual votes; or by considering the will of a majority of the States, as evidence of the will of a majority of the people of the United States. Neither of these rules has been adopted. Each State in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation then the new Constitution will, if established, be a federal and not a national Constitution.
I find Southerners funny and affable. I am not in the least threatened or offended by this flag.
Mr. Henry’s objection was thus answered by Mr. Madison:
“Who are parties to it [the Constitution]? The people—but not the people as composing one great body; but the people as composing thirteen sovereignties: were it, as the gentleman [Mr. Henry] asserts, a consolidated government, the assent of a majority of the people would be sufficient for its establishment, and as a majority have adopted it already, the remaining States would be bound by the act of the majority, even if they unanimously reprobated it: were it such a government as is suggested, it would be now
binding on the people of this State, without having had the privilege of deliberating upon it; but, sir, no State is bound by it, as it is, without its own consent. Should all the States adopt it, it will be then a government
established by the thirteen States of America, not through the intervention of the Legislatures, but by the people at large. In this particular respect the distinction between the existing and proposed governments is very material.
The existing system has been derived from the dependent, derivative authority of the Legislatures of the States, whereas this is derived from the superior power of the people.
It must be remembered that this was spoken by one of the leading members of the Convention which formed the Constitution, within a few months after that instrument
was drawn up. Mr. Madison’s hearers could readily appreciate his clear answer to the objection made. The “people” intended were those of the respective States—the only
organized communities of people exercising sovereign powers of government; and the idea intended was the ratification and “establishment” of the Constitution by direct act
of the people in their conventions, instead of by act of their Legislatures, as in the adoption of the Articles of Confederation. The explanation seems to have been as
satisfactory as it was simple and intelligible. Mr. Henry, although he fought to the last against the ratification of the Constitution, did not again bring forward this objection, for the reason, no doubt, that it had been fully answered. Indeed, we hear no more of the interpretation which suggested it, from that period, for nearly half a century, when it was revived, and has since been employed, to sustain that theory of a “great consolidated national government” which Mr. Madison so distinctly repudiated.
There. I fixed it for you.
I’d be hard pressed to find a favorite quote, there are so many. I just shake my head in wonder at how the man can blame everybody but himself. The war was all Lincoln’s fault. The loss on the battlefield was all the fault of the generals. The collapse of the economy was all the fault of the foreign powers. The man is in total denial.
Sir, Gone with the Wind is fiction, too, but it is one of the best books ever written about the Souths perspective of the CW. The second book, "Scarlett", is nothing like the first. Margeret Mitchell was one of the best authors ever.
I do not, nor have I ever lived in the northeast. Nor do I intend to so you don't have to worry about me ever having to get my rump out. I have lived in the midwest but thats a whole nuther world. Oh, and by the way, we do have seasons here. Summer and February. And you have been trashing the south pretty good, too.
We don't seem to have the problem with the mosquitos here as you do in the north. Man, those big suckers will carry you away! Our mosquitos are much smaller and nastier and not near as many. But we do have those nasty little noseeims. Hate those things!
I’m not aware that the South ever celebrated Quantrill.
However the Union certainly celebrated John Brown. A bearded religious fanatic who believed God wanted him to murder infidels. Where have we seen that before?
The Great Smokey Mountains are just breathtaking. Newfound Gap is absolutely majestic! You can just see forever up there. And Lookout Mountain in Chattanooga. I love the mountains. I could never leave them.
You see your parallels and I see mine.
"nonproductive political class" and "Hitler" both. Lol! I haven't seen that since Pravda went belly up. Looks like you may have a "lost cause" of another sort.
Workers of the World Unite, eh Kangaroo?
So do you want to join Kangaroo in the Confederates as Nazis argument?
How do you two Nazi Hunters explain away Judah P Benjamin?
“But then again hypocrisy is a very Southron trait.”
It’s just a slander, there’s no need to explain. Non-S hates the South, likely from envy. I suspect he wishes he had a culture to claim.
The argument is moronic, particularly on this holiday weekend. Northerners give little thought to the South and Southern culture.
However, as an American I will say that the differences between North and South should be a source of pride.
America is beautiful! Its not a north/south thing. The whole country is beautiful! I bet we could find beauty in the deserts of the west if we looked. The difference between the north and south is more of a culture thing than a geographical thing.
Bravo! Finally, somebody gets it.
I agree wholeheartedly. I once hiked 13 miles on the Appalachian Trail going north from Newfound Gap. As I remember, after a feature called Charlie's Bunion the trail had a lot of ups and downs. Anyway, by the time I returned to the parking lot at Newfound Gap that same day, I could barely walk.
You are probably familiar with another beautiful area, Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest just south of the Smokies near Lake Santeetah. I used to camp there at Horse Cove. Beautiful place, and it has some of the biggest trees on the East Coast.
I once hiked on the Appalachian Trail in New York and came across glacial scours on the bedrock. Pretty neat, but the area wasn't as pretty though as the main ridge of the Smokies north of Newfound Gap. Hard to beat that.
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