Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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Yeah, silly me. I guess I should give up and do nothing.
Once again I am reduced to explaining the simplest things.
“The confederate government had no problems with levying slave labor without compensation ‘for the war effort’.”
Big difference between borrowing and giving away.
“They had no problem taking property that didn’t belong to them by placing quotas on agricultural produce or reserving cargo space on private packet ships, again ‘for the war effort’.”
Hmmmm. . . similar tactics used by the U.S. during WWI, WWII, etc. Suppose the U.S. government was wrong there.
“That, apparently, isn’t exceeding their powers. Or if it was they didn’t care.” Same as above.
“But you would have us believe they had constitutional qualms about freeing slaves that fought for them against the Union?”
I just follow the facts and logic. You believe whatever you want.
The tariff on imported cotton finished goods raised the price of such goods to all domestic consumers, lowering the quantity demanded below what it would have been otherwise. If the demand for a finished (or “final”) good falls, the demand for the specialized inputs - in this case, raw cotton - used to produce that finished good falls as well.
The sense of injustice expressed by Southern politicians of that era reflected the fact that Southern suppliers of raw materials participated in competitive world markets, while Southern demanders of imported manufactured goods faced artificially high prices because of the tariffs enacted, in part, to protect Northern industries.
Alas, my ‘long reply’ contains the answer, and you fail to understand it.
No problem, I run into it with anyone North of the Ohio River that hasn’t studied the era.
Moral Christians don’t go about murdering people. Same goes for Quantrill and his ilk.
Exactly.
“The South Shall Rise Again”
To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.
Amen to that
Those "pretty extreme tactics" included being a serial killer. John Brown is to be condemned, not celebrated.
Thank you very much for that correction.
And a whole lot of crazies in between.
Brings back some great memories...my Dad owned one of the late 442s and it went like a scalded dog!
“By the third year of the war, those troops, especially those in the Army of Northern Virginia, were not fighting for slavery, far from it. By that point, nobody was thinking much about ‘The Cause’ at all, they were fighting for their brothers - literally, and their neighbors - again literally, because of the unusual nature of the war itself.”
I understand your point that by the end of the war a few conferdate soldiers may have thought they were fighting for their brothers, But what other reason than slavery did the south cecede for?
“Its been said the Civil War was bracketed by two madmen. John Brown and John Wilkes Booth.”
“And a whole lot of crazies in between.”
No denying it. Jackson convinced pepper made his ‘left leg weak’ is one of my favorite examples. Ewell and AP Hill also had some ‘curious’ tendencies.
That’s why my parents moved from Maine to Charlotte.
LOL no, I think over time “they” gradually figure out which sites they shouldn’t allow.
About the same time, or maybe a bit sooner this year, they banned YouTube, so now when people post YT films, I can’t view them at work.
Yep, the north has integrated so very well. Boston, Chicago, Philly, are all bastions of integration. No segregated areas at all in the northern cities and racial harmony truly prevails. Get off your high horse.
‘But what other reason than slavery did the south cecede for?’
Virginia left the Union primarily because ‘she’ knew the war would be fought there, in large part. It was questionable if Virginia would vote to follow the first five states right up til the moment Lincoln called for an army of 75,000 troops to ‘quash the rebellion’. The only way that army could have done so was by marching through Virginia.
Just one example that comes to mind.
As you might know, there was always a very real tension between the States Rights crowd, and the Strong Central Government types. It began festering about ten minutes after Cornwallis surrendered in the Revolutionary War, from what you read of the era. And its still going on today, as we see ‘unfunded mandates’ from DC forced upon various states, for varying reasons.
I find it interesting how many Southerners see Sherman as a terrorist and Quantrill as a hero.
You can try.
Big difference between borrowing and giving away.
It wasn't borrowed. It was labor required to be produced on demand. Without compensation to the owner
Hmmmm. . . similar tactics used by the U.S. during WWI, WWII, etc. Suppose the U.S. government was wrong there.
Hmmmm. Hardly. The difference was that the produce was paid for and the private ship owners were compensated for carrying the cargo during WWII. The confederacy demanded the space without compensation and took the crops.
I just follow the facts and logic. You believe whatever you want.
As will you.
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