Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
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What's that???
Last I looked, you could sew your own shirts, bedsheets, and other products. You didn’t have to import. BTW, if you are truly interested in this, with an open mind, there is a new book by James Huston, “Calculating the Value of the Union.” He shows, using econometric data, that overwhelmingly the tariff was of almost no importance to southerners-—it was all about slavery. Slave capital EXCEEDED that of all the RRs and textile mills in the North put together. With that kind of $$ at stake, it isn’t about a .5% tax on a hunk of yarn.
But you did talk to a census taker, or at least fill out a form. It’s assumed that illegals don’t respond to census forms.
That is the dumbest blog. Its getting really old, too. There is a certain freeper who usually shows up in support of the south in these threads. But his comments are usually over the top. I considered pinging him but I thought we are trying to have a serious discussion here. But you are a yankee sympathizer version of the one who I didn’t name. But you know who I am talking about. Maybe he deserves a ping. The rules are if you mention another freeper who is not in the thread, you have to ping them.
A little history reading on your part, Non, might help you. The south didn't revolt, they seceded from the Union legally as allowed by the US constitution. The North started the war because they didn't want the south to secede,legal or not. If the north had left the south alone there would have been no war and we would now be split into two nations, perhaps not a good thing but it would have been legally done. The north used force of arms to coerce the south to rejoin the Union. To this day the states have the right to break away from the Union if they wish.
Well if you guys can see racism in the Confederate Flag, why do you get upset if someone sees something in your battle song?
no sweat, glad to have assisted a bit.
When I saw it in MCG, I thought it would be a cool project. and it appears to have turned out pretty cool.
You do modelling? I used to but now I have a 66 Olds 442 that utilizes my discretionary time. You can not flog a 1/24 scale car. I can flog the 442 and it rather likes it.
Just like when I was growing up.
If the south had won, there would have been 2 countries. The United States of America and the Confederate States of America, and I dare say the CSA would be more apt to stand on their own 2 feet and not turned into a welfare state.
The tariff policies were the result of Southern dominated legislatures going back many years. The oratory was just that: oratory.
Here is a plank from the Republican Platform of 1860, calling for reform of tariffs: "12. That, while providing revenue for the support of the General Government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country; and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the working men liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence."
Neither the Breckenridge Dem Platform, nor the Douglas version addressed tariffs at all. They differ over the right of importing slaves into the Territories. Given that, I find it hard to believe that tariffs were the driving issue that the post-war Lost Cause types propose. It didn't seem to concern the Dems in 1860.
U.S. tariffs on finished imported goods, beginning in 1816, were designed to protect emerging manufacturing firms, located principally in the Northeast, from foreign (primarily English) competition. As these tariffs especially affected (indirectly, as explained previously) the market for raw cotton, South Carolina politicians fought these tariffs relentlessly, leading to the so-called nullification crisis of 1832. Henry Clay, aka The Great Compromiser, led the way to passage of legislation in 1833 which specified the gradual lowering of tariffs to the level existing in 1816.
The tariffs were a huge deal to politicians in both the North and the South, and almost led to South Carolina’s secession in 1832. They must have had, or at the time were perceived to have had, large effects and gave rise to the first militarily relevant sectional conflicts in the U.S.
And who would that be?
Coffee spew!! LOL!
Aha! Exactly what I'd expect a conspirasist to say! ;^)
Yeah but for everyone we got, you got a hundred. We’re kind of fond of our liberals. They help us toe the conservative line. They keep us straight.
aka..war of northern aggression.
I seem to recall that there was an “outreach” program here in CA to get the “undercounted” (read: illegal) minorities accounted for in the 2000 census. They made a big deal out of the anonymity, and that the census workers weren’t to report immigration status.
How long would it take for the southern yoeman to figure out that his sweat was subsidizing the slavocracy?
LOL! You forgot- raise taxes so everything can be like it was “at home.” Complain incessantly about how much better everything was where they came from. Whine about how slow Southerners move/ get things done. Make fun of our inherent
politeness while they spout curse words in regular conversation that none of us would use worst case scenario.
There are a few nice yankees but they are few and far between and tend to come from more rural areas of the north, not the cities. Complain about the heat and insects and the fact that their favorite plant won’t live here because of the heat and insects. As Tracy Ulman says- GO HOME!
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