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(AZ Republican Senator) Kyl Hits Immigration Head Wind
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 23, 2007 | SARAH LUECK

Posted on 05/23/2007 1:18:25 AM PDT by bd476

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To: patj
This headline is in error. The base is not divided, it is the elected officials divided from their base.

I urge you to send that as an email to the WSJ. Concise, pithy, and dead-on accurate.

wsj.ltrs@wsj.com

41 posted on 05/23/2007 5:37:30 AM PDT by angkor
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To: GailA
I’d like to know how these ‘poor’ low paid workers are going to come up with $5,000 apiece?

It's only $1,000 at the beginning, with the balance to be paid upon some later step which I forget.

In any case they will provide ample exemptions for "hardship cases" and/or forgive the $4,000 balance entirely. It ain't gonna' happen.

42 posted on 05/23/2007 5:41:38 AM PDT by angkor
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To: bd476
We're supposed to pay for the illegal's lawyer so they can stay in this country?

We're supposed to give them in-state tuition so they can get benefits of the American dream that even American children don't get?

We're supposed to push forward the North American Union with no input from WE THE PEOPLE?

I have no idea what Kyl was thinking, but he's shown just how much of an amateur he is, being rolled by Kennedy like this.

43 posted on 05/23/2007 5:46:37 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("Global warming" and "Climate Change" are the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated by confidence (wo)men!)
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To: teldon30

I’m a pretty vocal backer of some form of amnesty and a comprehensive immigration reform, but I’m not backing the senate bill as it now stands.


44 posted on 05/23/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Omega Man II

The Senate bill is not dead by a long shot. As long as business interests keep pushing for it the Pubbies are more likely to support it since those groups are heavy donors to their campaigns. The Congress-critters are most interested in one thing, getting re-elected, giving the grass roots the shaft.


45 posted on 05/23/2007 8:00:20 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: tiger-one

The guest worker provision has nothing to do with giving amnesty to illegal aliens. It is a program to increase the number of temporary workers to enter the country legally to work in labor intensive industries. Current law for example allows an unlimited number of agricultural guest workers. Those guest workers are paid more on average than their illegal counterparts, thus some businesses, especially small ones, will continue to ignore the law. Of course if some of those same workers do not return to their home country after their temporary work permits expire we will be faced with more resident illegal aliens than we have now.


46 posted on 05/23/2007 8:25:13 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: bd476
I sent him an e-mail telling him and Bush and McCain to rot in Hell. Hope that’s typical of his constituents.
47 posted on 05/23/2007 8:31:52 AM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way. No Mitt . No way. No McCain. No way.)
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To: bd476

his endorsement will help win over other immigration hard-liners, a constituency where he has credibility, particularly after opposing last year’s Senate-passed bill as too weak.

These people are too stupid and think we are too.


48 posted on 05/23/2007 8:33:58 AM PDT by sheana
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To: spectre
Kyl just got reelected to a new 6 year term.
49 posted on 05/23/2007 8:49:25 AM PDT by erton1
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


50 posted on 05/23/2007 8:58:07 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: erton1
Swell...

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51 posted on 05/23/2007 9:00:36 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: bd476
It is unprecedented for the State Republican Party Chairman to send out official correspondence and hold a news conference in opposition to something that the Republican Senators from that state are doing. I'm so glad that I've supported Randy Pullen for years now. He is a true conservative and gives me hope in the Republican Party. If only we could have coordinated this and had all state party chairs replaced with conservatives. Imagine how the face of politics would look today. Let's kill this bill and then let's see more conservatives get organized and put in conservative party chairs.
52 posted on 05/23/2007 9:15:55 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Omega Man II
'I don’t see this bill going anywhere"

I would not be so sure, the attempt to quickly pass it failed, which really is a shame cause that would have really stroked the fires in the GOP base and ensured it's defeat in the House. Now things are cooling off a bit making possible it's passage in the Senate in a week or too. As we all knew the fight is still going to be in the House. That's how it looked a week ago and that's how it still looks. I've read 70 GOP are needed to pass, surely a fired up GOP base can keep 70 R's in line. The thing I worry about is a NAFTA like lame duck session.

53 posted on 05/23/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: browardchad
"The Dems see it as the perfect storm"

Absolutely correct and they (Dems) are right. The Dems are going to put GOP finger prints all over this and then enjoy watching the blood bath in 08. Can't blame them, they are just giving the GOP all the rope it needs to hang itself.

54 posted on 05/23/2007 9:32:48 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: David Isaac
Exactly.

Why the Senators are in such a frenzy for this bill - even tried to sneak it through - has scary implications.

55 posted on 05/23/2007 9:48:31 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: imahawk

I have been trying since Friday. STILL haven’t gotten through.


56 posted on 05/23/2007 10:22:12 AM PDT by Politicalmom ("ARREST ILLEGALS AND SEND THEM BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM" Fred Thompson)
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To: browardchad
Don't underestimate Bush and the Democrats. The administration has pulled out all the stops, labeling the conservative base as bigots, or worse, if you listen to Chertoff's vitriol.

They do this because it has worked in the past to derail any real 'reform'. It's happened before, and it's the same players. Norquist is the man in charge of immigration policy for the White House.

1996...... “ Grover Norquist, a social conservative and anti-tax Republican lobbyist, reveled unapologetically in the tactics he used to undermine the verification initiative and to mock Simpson personally. The peel-off bar-code tattoos were supposed to remind people of the way Nazis tattooed Jews during World War II.

“It was great,” recalled Norquist, who is close to House Speaker Newt Gingrich. “We had our guys walking around with tattoos on their arms. It drove Simpson nuts because the implication was he’s a Nazi.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1836630/posts?page=37#37

57 posted on 05/23/2007 10:30:24 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: tiger-one

There are three massive increases for illegals: 1) the “Z” visa, which is the amnesty and takes place immediately for the 12 or 15 or 20 million illegals here now 2) the “Y” visa, which is the new massive guestworker program and 3) A quadrupling of chain migration, supposedly ending in 8 years. The Dems only object to the Y guest worker visa, why God only knows as the Y visa (along with the Z visa) has a “path to citizenship” built in.


58 posted on 05/23/2007 10:39:50 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: jpsb
Unfortunately I believe you are wrong. Pelosi is saying the bill will die if she doesn't get 70 votes, but that is really to sucker more idiot Senators into voting for it. Remember how Bush signed McCain Feingold "campaign finance reform" thinking the Supreme Court would overturn it? Same thing, Senators may vote for it thinking it will get killed in the House.

Nancy knows if she can pass a bill, any bill, she can go to conference with the senate (the conference committee being a small hand picked group from House and Senate leadership, so that will be mostly the same folks who negotiated this monstrosity in the first place) and remove anything the Dems don't like and give her party permanent majority status. The President has bascially said he'll sign any bill put in front of him. Your first clue that this is the strategy: it's been posted here that the White House intends to only lobby Dems in the House to get this bill passed (look at paragraph 5.) So the White House clearly intends to build a left leaning majority for this. This bill will pass unless we can stop it in the Senate. Keep the heat on.

59 posted on 05/23/2007 10:47:39 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: justanotherfreeper

Call, Call, Call keep the pressure up.


60 posted on 05/23/2007 12:42:00 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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