Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Posted on 05/22/2007 8:55:24 AM PDT by Politicalmom
WASHINGTON, May 22 /Standard Newswire/ -- The following is an Immigration Fact Check: Responding to Key Myths released by the White House:
1. MYTH: Ending the current green card backlog would result in 900,000 new residents per year on top of current numbers.
* FACT: The current proposal aims to end the green card backlog in eight years. However, this does not mean that 3.5 to 4 million people over the current number will be admitted into the country. The backlog will be cleared in two ways:
* 240,000 green cards are being shifted from other priorities within the existing green card pool. This is important – it does not represent an increase in the number of green cards given, it is simply a reallocation of green cards that are authorized for issuance within the current system.
* Separately, the number of green cards will be temporarily increased by 200,000 for each of the eight years after the enactment of the bill. This is an increase, but it does not mean 200,000 applicants plus their spouses and children. It is 200,000 new people total.
* FACT: About 15 percent of family-based green card recipients are already residing in the U.S. on temporary visas or illegally. Thus, only about 170,000 additional individuals per year are entering the country.
2. MYTH: The border security and employer enforcement triggers can be waived. It has been asserted that the bill contains the following language: "b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only if the President certifies within 180 days of enactment that the border security and other measures described in such subsection can be completed within 18 months of enactment, subject to the necessary appropriations."
* FACT: This is false. This language is not in the bill currently, but was in an earlier draft. Instead, the bill contains a sense of Congress that all triggers can be met in 18 months. All triggers must be met before the guest worker program or the Z visa program could begin.
3. MYTH: Z visa applicants (current undocumented) do not have to pay fines.
* FACT: Z visa applicants will have to pay a $1,000 fine for heads of households and an additional $500 fine for each dependent (spouses and children). There will also be a processing fee of up to $1,500 and a $500 state impact assistance fee. The $1,000 is not the cost of the visa, but rather a fine for having broken the law. The processing fee will take care of the costs of the visa. The fines and fees are not the only hurdle – applicants must be employed, pass background checks, pay processing fees, and agree to meet accelerated English and civics requirements to get their Z visas.
* FACT: A Z visa holder wishing to remain in the country under their Z visa indefinitely would still have to renew their visa every four years. Renewing the Z visa means more processing fees (again, up to $1,500 each time). The financial liability for Z visa holders starts to add up very quickly if holders choose to remain in this status instead of pursuing Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) status.
4. MYTH: DHS only has only one day to complete background checks.
* FACT: Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) status is a multi-step process that includes thorough background checks with no guarantees. It can be broken down into three parts: probationary period, Z status, and LPR.
1. Probationary Period. The undocumented worker comes out of the shadows to acknowledge they have broken the law. In order to obtain probationary status, they must show they are employed and pass a preliminary background check. There is a provision in the bill that says DHS has one day to find a "disqualifying factor," but that is not the end of the process. That is a very short term way of ensuring that if someone comes out of the shadows and admits their illegality, they will not be deported while the process is ongoing and can continue working while the full background check is completed. At any time if something pops up, the applicant becomes deportable, and will never have a chance at Z status and certainly not LPR status.
2. Z Status. If they have passed the hurdles above, the undocumented worker is considered for Z status. At this stage they must pay their $1,000 fine ($1,000 is just for a head of household – there is an additional fine of $500 for each dependent) and processing fees; are subject to updated background checks to make sure they have not committed crimes while in probationary status; agree to meet English and civics standards as a condition of renewal; and show employment. There is no one day "Treatment of applications" in this process. One must complete or agree to all of the above before they are able to achieve Z status.
3. LPR Status. Here, there is another $4,000 fine and more processing fees. More background checks are also conducted in order to make sure that the applicant has kept his or her record clean. The applicant will have had to have stayed employed and met the English and civics requirements. They will have to make an application from their home country, go to the back of the line, and demonstrate merit under the new green card points system. Then, and only then, will the undocumented worker obtain a green card.
5. MYTH: A Rasmussen poll shows Americans support an enforcement-only approach.
* FACT: The plan proposed in Rasmussen's poll does not include many of the components included in the actual plan. Rasmussen asked respondents: "A different proposal has been made that also includes a fence along the Mexican border, more border patrol agents, strict penalties on anyone who hires illegal aliens. This proposal, however, would also offer illegal aliens a path to citizenship if they pay back taxes and other fines. Would you favor or oppose this proposal?"
* FACT: The process is much more onerous than the text of Rasmussen's question suggests. In order to have an opportunity for citizenship, undocumented workers will have to pay a total of $5,000 in fines, pass multiple background checks, complete accelerated English and civics requirements, go back home to apply in their home country, demonstrate merit in the new merit-based green card system, AND go to the back of the line behind those who applied lawfully.
* FACT: A recent bi-partisan poll conducted by The Tarrance Group (R) and Lake Research (D) that did include more components of the plan found 75 percent of American voters said they would favor a plan that: provides resources to greatly increase border security; imposes much tougher penalties on employers who hire illegal workers; allows additional foreign workers to come to the U.S. to work for a temporary period; creates a system in which illegal immigrants could come forward and register, pay a fine, and receive a temporary work permit; and provides these temporary workers with a multi-year path to earned citizenship, if they get to the end of the line and meet certain requirements like living crime free, learning English, and paying taxes. Only 17 percent opposed this plan.
6. MYTH: The bill will impose a huge new tax on businesses that follow the law.
* FACT: Companies are held liable if their contractors and subcontractors hire undocumented workers. However, the Department of Homeland Security will create systems to help ensure these burdens can be met by employers who want to follow the law through the Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) and other procedures.
* FACT: This bill seeks to help employers verify the status of workers. Enforcement of the paperwork fines will be targeted against those employers trying to avoid the law and hire illegal workers. The law includes a provision for the Secretary of Homeland Security to send a pre-penalty notice where he believes there may be a violation, and the employer can avoid a penalty by showing mitigating circumstances (e.g., good faith compliance).
* FACT: This bill does not seek to put the sole responsibility for legal hiring practices on the government OR the private sector. The bill is designed to have participation from the business community so the government can easily determine which employers are knowingly violating the law.
7. MYTH: The bill does not crack down on employers who violate the law.
* FACT: In the bill, fines for hiring an illegal worker are $5,000 maximum per illegal worker for the first offense, $10,000 maximum per illegal worker for the second, and $25,000 maximum per illegal worker for the third.
FACT: Any part of the bill, once signed into law, deemed ‘unfair’ or ‘unduly harsh’ to illegals will be dropped. This will include things such as fines and penalties.
If you, if the government is unwilling to enforce its current laws, what makes me think they will enforce any new ones? Or enforce fines, or deportation? Mind you I used to work for the government in the area of immigration and came to the conclusion it was an unserious department and huge joke.
FACT: it’s amnesty and it’s wrong.
FACT: The bill is full of clauses that allow the government to waive various requirements for humanitarian purposes, family unity, or “in the public interest” [whatever that is].
I will post a vanity on this.
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
Build the Wall and Enforce the Laws!
ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS
CLOSE THE BORDERS
FACT: Any part of the bill, once signed into law, deemed ‘unfair’ or ‘unduly harsh’ to illegals will be dropped. This will include things such as fines and penalties.
Of course. The ACLU already has lawsuit filings at the ready to be filed
Who beleive these illegals will pay these fines? It will cost more to administrate to collection of fines than the fines itself. imho
MYTH: We can change the LAWS we don’t like.
FACT: Only if the change helps non-citizens from a particular country south of our invisible border.
No fence is mentioned. A fence is solid. Bureaucrat promises of actions will be whittled away by Democrats
What if the criminal aliens, crooks, terrorists and narco-gangsters don’t want amnesty? Why should they? Wouldn’t they have to pay taxes? How can you force criminals to become citizens? Why would you? If these people really wanted to be real citizens they wouldn’t use phony ID’s.
NO AMNESTY for Employers or Employees!
I definitely recommend you listen to what Robert Rector had to say.[Sh]Amnesty Deal
Well, the Repubicans in the Senate have finally placed the last straw on the backs of the American people and Mark Levin was incensed about it!
Mark then spoke with Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies and NRO Contributor.
But that is not all! Mark ranted and raved even more! Folks, nobody rants like the Great One! LOL! And he had very good reason to rant tonight!
Mark followed that up by speaking with Robert E. Rector, Senior Research Fellow on Domestic Policy at the Heritage Foundation.
* FACT: Obtaining Legal Permanent Resident (LPR) status is a multi-step process that includes thorough background checks with no guarantees. It can be broken down into three parts: probationary period, Z status, and LPR.
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A very artful dodge. The DHS has only one day to approve the ZVISA. The Z VISA = legalization and amnesty. Enough legalization to keep 99% of illegals very happy
FACT: Politicans have THEIR best interest at heart.They are open to whomever can line their pockets the most.Politicians believe more in securing Iraq and South Koreas border than they do that of their own country and believe more laws,that won't be enforced,is a great way to increase the size of government.
I’m not sure what the point is in new harsher penalties to employers for hiring “illegals”, if we just made every illegal that works “legal”. Who will be left to be hired illegally?
How about once the illegal comes forward and proves they were employed, and has to pay a $1000 fine, we also fine the employer who EMPLOYED them? That would be a start.
This bill is amnesty for Current Employers of Illegals.
This is a very telling report done by Zogby a couple years ago.
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Americans and Mexicans have widely divergent views of border issues, according to a new poll by Zogby International.
Zogby found that a large majority of the Mexican population believes the southwest territory of the U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico, and that Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without first obtaining U.S. permission. By contrast, Zogby’s survey of Americans conducted within a few days of the Mexican poll shows a large majority supports reducing immigration levels and wants the military deployed along the border to protect the U.S. from illegal immigration.
Zogby’s poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, “the territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.” Only 28 percent disagree, and 14 percent are unsure.
A similar majority, 57 percent, agree with the statement, “Mexicans should have the right to enter the U.S. without U.S. permission,” while 35 percent disagree. Seven percent are unsure.
The survey has a margin of error of 3.5 percent. The Mexico portion of the survey was conducted in Spanish between May 25 and May 26 among 801 adults chosen at random throughout Mexico. The poll was commissioned by Americans for Immigration Control, Inc. (AIC), which advocates increased restrictions on immigration.
Zogby’s survey of American attitudes found wide majorities of Americans also oppose amnesty for illegal aliens. The U.S. portion of the survey was conducted of 1,015 likely voters in the U.S. from May 28 to May 30. It found that 65 percent disagree with the statement, “foreigners residing illegally in the U.S. should be given amnesty.” Just 26 percent of likely voters support amnesty for illegals, while 9 percent are unsure.
A large majority, 58 percent, agree that the U.S. should “admit fewer immigrants each year.” Only 6 percent want “more immigrants each year,” and 30 percent want to “keep immigration at the current annual levels.”
The single largest majority in the entire poll was found among Americans supporting use of the military to guard the border. Fully 68 percent of those surveyed agree with the statement, “the U.S. should deploy military troops on the border as a temporary measure to help the U.S. Border Patrol curb illegal immigration.” Only 28 percent disagree, and 3 percent are unsure.
http://www.immigrationcontrol.com/AIC_Zogby_Mexican_Poll.htm
* FACT:
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