Posted on 05/21/2007 4:16:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
It goes zero to 60 in about four seconds. Its top speed is 130 miles per hour. And it doesn't use an ounce of gasoline.
It's the Tesla Roadster, a new car that's fueled entirely by electricity and could be hitting the lot just in time. Today the Energy Department reported that the average gallon of regular gasoline is now $3.10 -- a new nominal record price for the United States.
Meet The New Electric Car! The Tesla Roadster is named after Nicola Tesla, the largely forgotten genius inventor of alternating current electricity, and it's the brainchild of Martin Eberhard, who said he designed it because he cares about the environment and because he wanted one for himself.
"It's time for us to do something about our dependence on foreign oil," Eberhard said. "It's time for us to do something about global warming. But I wasn't ready to go drive around some goofy little car. … Think of how electric cars look. All the ones you've ever thought of."
There haven't been many electric cars. Early automobiles ran on electricity, as did General Motor's ill-fated and quickly abandoned EV1, which debuted in the 1990s and died soon thereafter. Eberhard said there's "nothing beautiful" about the Prius, perhaps the best-known hybrid car. "It doesn't do anything for me," he said. "Think of it this way. A world of 100 percent hybrids is still 100 percent addicted to oil."
'The Next Great American Car Company' So Eberhard, who made his fortune with a couple of Internet companies, set out to build the car he wanted to drive, one that would change the image of the electric car forever. Eberhard said he wanted "to get people to think of electric cars as being actually hip and desirable and fun."
And that's only the beginning. Eberhard also wants to achieve something even he admits is audacious.
"Our ultimate goal is to be the next great American car company," he said, "to have a whole line of cars for every kind of driver and all of them not burning gasoline."
Eberhard teamed with another Internet millionaire, Elon Musk, the man who invented PayPal. The 35-year-old Musk is busy with another venture called Space X, which, among other projects, is contracted to design, build and operate NASA's replacement shuttle for transporting astronauts to the International Space Station. Musk said it took only five days for him to decide to invest in Tesla after meeting with Eberhard. He's put $37 million into the company so far.
"I am a big believer in Tesla, and I believe it's going to be a great success," Musk said.
Meet The New Electric Car! Behind the Wheel Instead of starting with a mass market vehicle, Tesla's doing just the opposite: starting at the high end and working its way down.
"I really believe the right entry point in the market is a sports car," Musk said. "Because there, people are willing to pay a high unit cost. So you get that into the market, and you continue to innovate and optimize and go progressively higher volume and more affordable with each successive model."
In four months they had orders for all of their "signature" cars. The first 100, with a $100,000 price tag, sold to the likes of George Clooney, the founders of Google, Arnold Schwarzenegger and William of the Black Eyed Peas.
Going forward, they plan to make 1,000 Roadsters a year, with a sticker price of $92,000. That investment gets customers a two-seater that weighs in at a relatively light 2,600 pounds and is powered by lithium ion batteries, like the ones in your computer … exactly 6,381 of them.
"They are the exact same kind of cell that would power a lap top computer or a camcorder," explained David Vespremi, Tesla Motors' director of public relations, while showing us the car. "This is very different from a combustion engine."
So different, in fact, that it isn't an engine at all -- it's a motor.
Fewer Moving Parts "The motor [is] tiny by comparison to an engine in a typical combustion car. It weighs about 77 pounds, and you could literally put it in a backpack and walk out of the room with it if you chose to," Vespremi said, while showing us the car. "What it does is, it has one moving part. It's an AC motor, so it takes current straight from the battery and turns that into … the power that moves the car down the road."
Is there anything that a standard gasoline-powered car offers that the Tesla lacks?
"Well, you have all the belts and the hoses and the gaskets and the plugs and exhaust components. None of that exists with this car. The entire drive line consists of 12 moving parts," Eberhard said, as opposed to thousands in a regular car.
But there are drawbacks: The battery pack is warrantied for 100,000 miles, but after that, replacement could be costly -- in the thousands of dollars. Tesla argues that with battery technology improving every year, each successive year's models will be better. You're not completely off the grid because it does require electricity, and you can go only 200 miles between charges.
Vespremi said the charging station can be installed by "any competent electrician," and it allows you "to get that quick charging time of 3½ hours. Most people hook it up to the drier circuit. And then you just treat it like a gas pump."
The Roadster is still in test mode -- the company hopes to start actual production this fall. The car has gone for its first round of safety tests and, according to the company, has done extremely well.
Vespremi told us that part of the reason the car is so safe is because the chassis is made of extruded bonded aluminum, "the exact same kind of chassis that would be used in something like a Formula One car or an Indy car. This is what allows those drivers to wreck at a couple hundred miles per hour and walk away," he explained.
'I Like Fast' So far, those who've put down deposits can't even test drive the Roadster; they can only be driven in it. Bob Huntley and his wife, Marilyn Miller, flew to San Carlos, Calif., from Houston to see what they're getting.
"I like fast, obviously," Huntley said, "but more important to me is the smile I will have knowing that I am not putting $50 gas in every time I want to go 200 miles. It's perfect. And I get to pass everyone while I do it."
While they work to get the Roadster street ready, the engineers at Tesla are pushing ahead on two more models. The designs are under wraps, but they envision a family-size sedan and a smaller mass-market electric car in the next two to five years. But the real money may come in selling their technology.
"We are in negotiations with some fairly big auto companies, so we hope to make a really big difference in CO2 concentration in three ways," said Musk. "One is in the cars we make ourselves, two is the licensing the electric drive trains and accelerating the technology deployment in other car companies, and three is by serving as a good example to the rest of the auto industry and hoping that they follow our lead."
Capitalism and Altruism Musk says there is an element of altruism behind the company, but that the best way to serve their goal is to make Tesla a profitable company.
"There's a lot to be said for money and glory," said Musk. "I wouldn't say that those were unimportant. There is nothing wrong with wanting to make money or have a glorious outcome. Those are good things. For me personally that's not the most important thing. But I still value those things. I'm not Mother Teresa."
Though design and testing takes place just south of San Francisco, the Tesla Roadsters will be built at the Lotus Elise plant in Hithel, England. And who gets the first car off the assembly line?
"Well, I get car No. 1," said Musk. "I guess there are some advantages to investing $37 million in a company."
Another advantage could be immortality. If Tesla works, it would be the first successful startup auto manufacturer in the United States in more than 50 years.
Sorry for the typo. I meant Hyenasport.
Look at your meter and say that again. The Electric Co makes more profit at night.
I don’t live in California. Here in Colorado, my electricity costs the same all hours of the day and night. I did not make any comment about the electric company’s profit margin...I only said that I had been told that the consumer pays less for electricity at night.
Does it come with a trailer hitch?
Battery technology is at about as far as it can go. It is one of the most mature technologies around. I wouldn’t get too excited about some wonderful breakthrough in this area. If something replaces the IC engine it won’t be soon, and it won’t be batteries.
You were misinformed. The residential meters turn at the same rate 24/7. Power companies make a better margin at night when the smaller less efficient plants can be pulled offline and their staffs trimmed, so that's when they want more residential usage.
It was someone elses calc. Good catch. Now when I check it, I’m coming up with 22.75K..
Do you have any clue how to estimate the efficiency/loss from battery charge to tire?
I disagree. There is little or nothing designed by humans that cannot be improved upon.
I think I've heard something like that before. "256K of memory is as much as anyone will ever need."
If something replaces the IC engine it won’t be soon, and it won’t be batteries.
For most users, rechargeable batteries have already replaced fossil fuels in weed-whackers, leaf-blowers, chainsaws, and increasingly in lawnmowers. Laptops and cell phones are built around their batteries. Rechargeable battery-powered machines are already winning; they just need more heft and longer endurance.
Yeah. It's the 19th/20th of the month. You'll see this "article" again on July 19, 2007.
Snake oil needs its advertisements, ya know.
Large-scale industrial operations can squeeze out better rates by sifting their operations to off-peak hours. The spend enough millions to get someone's attention. But residential customers pay a fixed rate per KWH, regardless of at what H of the D.
My usual pattern is to pump in a lot of cool night air, and to sleep under blankets. That cool air lingers in the house, and the AC only kicks in during the heat of the day. I pay the same for energy at peak and off-peak hours. But by keeping it cool inside when it's cool outside, and then maintaining the cool inside when it's hot outside, I'm using less and paying less for it.
And it runs for about 17.8 miles, then needs charged for 12 hours at 400 AMPS!
How much does it WEIGH???
I have to admit that I don't know the chemical process involved in "coking" coal. I do know that there are processes to render coal as a gaseous or a liquid fuel -- established and mature technologies, but more expensive than natural gas or gasoline, so they never found a market. Well within reach, but too expensive. So far.Gasoline at >$3 a gallon shifts that equation.
This is a classic case of where the Free Market works. If petroleum becomes too expensive to burn, the market will find or create other burnable stuff. Whether the fuel is coal or sunlight or ethanol or uranium, we should be all-out to see what works and adapt accordingly.
HMMmmm...
I suspect THAT will surely add to the overall Miles Per Dollar ratio!!
Get off yer fat butts; strap on them roller blades and skate down to your local "TowRope Feeder Line" and get pulled downtown to shop!
Be sure to keep a tight grip on your "Pull Behind Trailer" full of your purchases.
Here is your chance to find out!
Indianapolis' gas company - Citizens Gas and COKE - is divesting it's coke production facilities.
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=22751
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