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Islamism, not Islam is the Problem
Family Security Matters ^ | May 18, 2007 | Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser

Posted on 05/20/2007 7:43:45 PM PDT by nuconvert

Islamism, not Islam is the Problem

By M. Zuhdi Jasser

Most of the attention, scholarship, and punditry in the United States given towards Islam and Muslims since 9-11 have focused upon problems with comparatively little attention toward solutions. Understandably motivated by a need to improve security and understand the enemy, American curiosity about Islam, Islamism, and militant Islamism continues to grow. Yet, comparatively American Muslims have offered few solutions except for the few rare voices of Muslim moderation (anti-Islamism) across America, Canada, and Europe.

At times there is only a binary choice in the public ether between the voices who say that “Islam is the problem” and the tired voices of the Islamists who provide endless apologetics, denial, victimization, and every deflection possible short of responsibility or actual ideological solutions for a counter-jihad and reformation. Certainly, the Islamists, no matter how peaceful, who look at the world through the lens of political Islam are at the core of the ideological problem. They knowingly and unknowingly feed the enemy’s central political construct of society—political Islam. Yet, we so need to separate political Islam (Islamism) from the spiritual faith of Islam as a faith. Is it easier said than done?

An anti-Islamist devout Muslim like myself - and so many others who believe we are in the majority - can only shout in the wilderness for so long, before there becomes a need to begin to address some of the most difficult but central questions, which many Muslims ignore either out of pride, self-righteousness, or impatience. Whether many pious Muslims acknowledge it or not, non-Muslims who believe that ‘the religion of Islam is the problem’ are growing in numbers. I can either dismiss their arguments as “Islamophobic” as so many do, including the Islamists, or I can begin to address some of the central issues raised positively in the spirit of understanding, logic, and most importantly in the spirit of American security.

We need the anti-Islamist Muslims

Most should understand that strategically, identifying ‘Islam as the problem,’ immediately alienates upwards of one quarter of the world’s population and dismisses our most powerful weapon against the militant Islamists—the mantle of religion and the pulpit of moderate Muslims who can retake our faith from the Islamists. The majority voices in the middle, the non-Islamist and anti-Islamist Muslims who understand the problem, have to be on the frontlines. They cannot be on the frontlines in an ideological battle being waged, which demonizes the morality of the faith of Islam and its founder, the Prophet Mohammed. We cannot win this war only on the battlefield. Political Islam has a viral recurrence in the form of an infection which needs a Muslim counter-jihad in order to purge it. Thus, we cannot win this ideological war without the leadership of Muslim anti-Islamists. The radical and political ideologies of Islamism, Wahhabism, Salafism, Al Qaedism, Jihadism, and Caliphism, to name a few, cannot be defeated without anti-Islamist, anti-Wahhabi, anti-Salafist, anti-Al Qaedist, anti-Jihadist, and anti-Caliphist devout Muslims.

So often, attempts by anti-Islamist Muslims to claim that our faith has been hijacked or our faith has been twisted are dismissed by non-Muslims. They simply take common interpretations of Wahhabis and say rather that, ‘it is the anti-Islamist Muslim who is deluded and who is misrepresenting the faith of Islam”. They use the citations of the militants from our Holy Qur’an’s scripture and from many authentic and questionable Hadith (discussions of the Prophet Mohammed) to marginalize moderate Muslims and claim that they have no theological framework from which to claim legitimacy.

The question remains-- who or what defines Islam, and under what authority? Islam has no clergy and is represented only by a book, the Holy Qur’an (what Muslims believe in Arabic, is the communication from God to Muslims). Islam’s naysayers by accepting radical interpretations of scripture are thus handing the militants the mantle of religion with hardly the benefit of the doubt or patience toward long term opportunities for reform by anti-Islamist Muslims within the general Muslim population.

The process of theological renewal and interpretation in the light of modern day thought—ijtihad—as it is known in Islam is in many ways hundreds of years behind Western enlightenment today arrested around the 15th century. This process can either be facilitated by non-Muslims or hindered by the belief that it is impossible. There is quite a bit to be said for the value of a necessary critical facilitation (nudging) of Muslim reform (as opposed to blind uncritical apologetics). But there is also a fine line between useful criticism of Muslims and especially of political Islam and the less than helpful alienation of all Muslims through criticism of the faith of Islam in general. Most of the same arguments targeting Islam can similarly be made against Muslims and their interpretations while just not blaming Islam as a faith, which needs to be part of the solution.

Too nuanced for practicality? Not necessarily when our most critical allies within the Muslim faith are those that are strong enough to love their faith enough to wake-up and want to take it back from the Islamists and their barbarians like Al Qaeda.

Political Islam (Islamism), not Islam, is incompatible with Americanism and pluralism

Like most believers of any of the major world religions whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, I, as a Muslim believe that Islam carries the same messages of humanitarianism and compassion shared by the religions of the God of Abraham and deserves an equal place at the table of world religions and is not in conflict with our American Constitutional government. Some Muslims may behave, interpret, and express ideologies which are not from God but contrarily evil and from Satan, but they are still Muslim. I cannot deny that. We have no church to excommunicate them.

However, we also should remember that every God-fearing Muslim believes that the religion of Islam as a faith comes from God in the same way as Judaism and Christianity. The identification of ‘Islam as the problem’ is arguable from a pedantic standpoint since it is hard to disagree with the fact that “Islam is as Muslims do and say.” But academically, when dealing with the faith of one-quarter of the world, and with its history, a central morality of individual Islam (the personal character of most Muslims) has generally demonstrated synergy with Judaism and Christianity. It is just that in the past few centuries, political religious movements, which exploit the personal faith for political oppression and often fascism, have controlled the leadership.

It is important to be academic about this assessment and not assume that what appears to be the silence of the majority of Muslims equates to agreement with the Islamist leadership who exerts a stranglehold over the community. We are doing our national counterterrorism efforts and Muslims a disservice if we assume that the ‘lowest hanging fruit,’ which comprise all currently Islamist organizations (CAIR, MPAC, or ISNA - to name a few) and their proportionally limited membership speak for all American Muslims. Their silence on the need for reformation and the need for Muslims to lead an anti-Islamist effort from within our faith community represents their own Islamist agenda of the members and donors but does not represent the general Muslim population.

In debate, it can become easy to lose the focus of the argument when resorting to criticism based on identity rather than on ideology. For example, so many Islamists locally and nationally resort to attempting to demonize me as an individual rather than deal with my anti-Islamist ideas as a Muslim and as an American. Our Islamist enemy dreams about uniting all Muslims under one nation—the transnational Muslim ummah. To declare our ideological battle against Islam is to hand them the easiest tool toward that unification (ummah-tization) strategy for which they dream and to dismiss our most potent weapon against the jihadists—anti-Islamist Muslims who can lead a counter-jihad from within the Islamic community. Only anti-Islamists Muslims can de-ummahtize the Muslim community and articulate an Islam, which inspires morality but leaves national politics to the governments of our nations.

A shared moral tradition

For many non-Muslims engaged in the debate to accept the fact that Islam is not the problem, it stands to reason that they must first feel that Islam as practiced and held by Muslims fits into the predominant moral framework of American spirituality and values of the God of Abraham (a Judeo-Christian-Islamic morality, if you will). This is evidenced by the moral behaviors of the vast majority of Muslims in America and around the world. This morality certainly comes from God and for Muslims the faith of Islam is the source of it no different than Judaism or Christianity is for Jews and Christians.

Now, bring political Islam into this mix, and one is left with many questions. Is Islam compatible with democracy? Can Muslims separate mosque and state? Can Muslims be anti-theocratic? Can Muslim behavior and thought today be consistent with modernity while so many current Muslim legal constructs enacted in the name of sharia law seem not to be? How do Muslims reconcile their history of an empire ruled by a Muslim Caliphate, an empire which had varying rules for its citizens based upon faith with today’s more pluralistic universal laws of American society blind to one faith? How do Muslims reconcile the plight of women’s rights in ‘Muslim’ societies with their faith and the West? Those are just a few of the questions so many thoughtful writers have tried to answer since 9-11.

Before embarking upon a discussion of any of those questions, which can fill texts, a more fundamental question remains concerning the central principles of any Muslim’s faith. Is the foundation of Islam as felt and practiced within each Muslim a moral one?

From a counterterrorism assessment, formulating a threat assessment of the ideologies at play are very necessary. Before blanketing the faith of Islam as a threat to Americanism (religious pluralism), Americans first need to be able to separate Islam from Islamism and Islam from what some Muslims do.

Americans will find that for most Muslims generally - as it is for Jews or Christians or any God fearing individual - the central defining principles of faith are not dictated by the specific interpretations of God’s laws (sharia for Muslims) or to any single one of the interpretations of various passages of the Qur’an peaceful or otherwise. As a Muslim, my faith as I see it and as it has been taught to me in its most devotional expression is simply-- my personal relationship with a moral God—the God of Abraham. The stronger and more personal is that relationship, the more pious an individual may be. Thus piety is not measured by others or by outward actions or expressed beliefs, but rather piety is dependent upon the intensity and purity of that internal relationship with God.

The essence of the nucleus of the primary cell of Islam as an organism of faith is a human being’s manifestations and choices for goodness over evil which includes love, honesty, compassion, empathy, courage, integrity, humility, character, behavior, self-control, creativity, discipline, and gratitude to name a few of the faith defining human principles most faiths share. When our families taught us about faith and God, most of the time was spent on these principles. To most Muslims, the countervailing ‘evil’ choices to these positive human characteristics come from Satan and not from God. The existence of evil and its acts only demonstrates that God has given humanity free will. Without the existence of evil, humans would not have choice or free will. Often evil will exploit religion to defeat that which is good.

It is this inherent human tendency toward good and away from evil, which is the central notion of Islam as it is for Judaism and Christianity. From this then arises a spiritual life with a deep personal relationship and communication with God as seen in all of the faiths recognizing the God of Abraham.

From this spirituality, this goodness, then arises the character, which an individual carries to life and to our theological texts and their derived interpretations. While the body of laws available today may not all contain a modernized interpretation, it can certainly be modernized if the Muslims doing the modernizing are of sound moral conviction and integrity and education. It is the corruption, tribalism, and ignorance of so many in the Muslim world, which has poisoned any moves towards enlightenment. But this conflict between good and evil is one, which will be won by the righteous when pious Muslims who fear God, and respect universal humanitarian principles are empowered to stand up to evil under the moral courage of the inspired principles of the God of Abraham.

My family always taught me that a Muslim will not miraculously find his or her character within the pages of the Qur’an or Hadith. But rather, a Muslim’s interpretation of our holy text is through the lens of one’s established moral character, which is developed on a personal human level from within the soul and conscience not a textual one.

Our own moral compass and its inherent principles are a lens for life which is produced in an early stage of youth and adolescence that sets the tone for how we interpret life and religion. While the details of religion can inspire and direct this compass, life’s core direction toward good is formed and maintained internally between an individual’s soul and God early on. Suicide bombers, jihadists, and other militant Islamists are evil at their core and just turn to the language of Islam found in the Qur’an or the Hadith to justify their barbarism, coercion, and doctrine of the ends justifying the means and of political Islam. Granted, this is much easier to do with the ready availability around the world of radical and medieval interpretations so desperately in need of 21st Century enlightened pluralistic re-interpretations.

Accepting this common Muslim formulation of faith is vital to marginalizing the militancy of current radicalized interpretations most of which are of Salafist derivation and rather expressing a core positively guiding morality for the vast majority of Muslims. It will take Muslims who love their faith to articulate a modern Islam to create an etho, which accepts the radical interpretation as immoral.

Certainly, the ubiquitous jihadist and Caliphist interpretations of Islamic literature and jurisprudence are in need of an overwhelming alternative narrative to the fundamentalist interpretation, which so often dominates the airwaves. We must believe that the predominant Muslim morality as derived from God and exemplified in the life of the Prophet Mohammed and in the vast majority of Muslims is one of good, one of the Golden Rule, of compassion, and of humility.

Once we can accept that most Muslims are moral and believe in a faith with an inviolable moral nucleus, than we can find hope that the seeds of reformation of formal textual interpretations will be planted for freedom and liberty, for free will over coercion, over theocracy and over political Islam.

If most Muslims were immoral, the world would have perished a long time ago. It is Islamism, which deserves our combined energies in critique and ideological deconstruction. Muslims, however, who are anti-Islamist and practicing a modern moral Islam are the key to its defeat.


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To: Beckwith

“And just what are you a “nuconvert” to”

LOL. Thanks. I haven’t heard that line in a long time!


81 posted on 05/21/2007 6:07:19 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: nuconvert
So, basically this guy is saying that Islam needs to go through a reformation.

There are so many clues in this guys writing but to start with just a few.......

The process of theological renewal and interpretation in the light of modern day thought—ijtihad—as it is known in Islam is in many ways hundreds of years behind Western enlightenment today arrested around the 15th century. This process can either be facilitated by non-Muslims or hindered by the belief that it is impossible.

The process of reformation cannot be facilitated, or hindered, by non-muslims. It must be come from muslims themselves.

Some Muslims may behave, interpret, and express ideologies which are not from God but contrarily evil and from Satan, but they are still Muslim. I cannot deny that.

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, wrong.
If their behave and express ideologies from Satan, they are Satan worshippers, not a religon from G*d.

Can Muslims separate mosque and state? Can Muslims be anti-theocratic? Can Muslim behavior and thought today be consistent with modernity while so many current Muslim legal constructs enacted in the name of sharia law seem not to be? How do Muslims reconcile their history of an empire ruled by a Muslim Caliphate, an empire which had varying rules for its citizens based upon faith with today’s more pluralistic universal laws of American society blind to one faith? How do Muslims reconcile the plight of women’s rights in ‘Muslim’ societies with their faith and the West? Those are just a few of the questions so many thoughtful writers have tried to answer since 9-11.

I've heard no answers to these questions from the "muslim majority" in the time since 9-11.
I've heard some opinions from individuals but the 'majority' remains silent.

Basically, this guy says that muslims are stuck in the 14th century and need to rethink their religon in modern terms.

I say that muslims are stuck in the 14th century and aren't likely to rethink their religon because they see nothing wrong with it.

82 posted on 05/21/2007 6:22:26 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: nuconvert

You wrote, “Try doing some research before you slander someone.”

I have done my research. Have you?

A few questions regarding Islam and Mohammed, the soi disant Prophet:
1. When was the last time you read the Koran?
2. Are you aware that the later suras take precedence over the earlier ones?
3. Do you know that Big Mo slid into ever more violent and cruel behavior with time, and that this degenerating (by non-Muslim standards) is reflected in Big Mo’s writings?

That the author serves in the Navy does not change either the Koran, or history of Islam.

Your post was sufficent to motivate me to write an article about the issues of Islam’s irreconcilableity with America.

I’ll post it as a vanity here at FR.


83 posted on 05/21/2007 6:35:53 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: nuconvert

Since you mentioned research, the very post after yours was by cornpone. Go to his about page and you will find enough references regarding islam to keep you busy reading for many years.

Hint: This summarizes the Islamic issue quite well.

Churchill On Islam

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

~A passage from his book “The River War” written by Sir Winston Churchill in 1899 after he had participated in the Sudanese campaign.

I am curious, are you Muslim?


84 posted on 05/21/2007 6:42:38 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: Just another Joe

What Do Muslims Think?
The American Interest / Able2know.com ^ | May/June 2007 | Amir Taheri

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835047/posts

What do Muslims think? Do most Muslims reject the radical fundamentalist interpretation of their faith peddled by Osama bin Laden and his associates, or do they increasingly embrace it? As simple and even empirical as the question is, Western observers do not agree on the answer. Several efforts by Western polling organizations to answer this and related questions have clarified little and raised serious arguments over the reliability of their methodologies.

Most do agree, however, that the question is important, for the answer ought to tell us how to fashion the political aspects of the global War on Terror—the struggle for “hearts and minds”, as it is commonly and more softly called. If most of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims oppose radical views, then U.S. (and Western) policy could usefully help organize, mobilize and in other ways support majority moderate Muslim views against minority radical ones. There would be a robust future for public diplomacy and little worry about a clash of civilizations. The short-term risks of destabilizing authoritarian Arab allies in an effort to open up political spaces within their borders, too, could be borne confidently. On the other hand, to the extent that Muslim societies have become radicalized in recent years and if still further radicalization is to be expected, then public diplomacy will not be able to accomplish much, a civilizational clash looms, and cooperation with less-than-democratic regional allies becomes a more attractive tactic.

(snip)


85 posted on 05/21/2007 6:54:47 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: TomasUSMC
The only good moslem is one who ain’t anymore.

IF...
We pull the credibility of their book out from under them... we discredit their mullahs and imams --
NO MORE "PROPHETIC" AUTHORITY!!

We mark the radical clerics as sub-human thugs and criminals...

The hearts of the people will open to consider the options for their faith -- which is the basis of their life.

Tough task, long road...

(See Daniel 2 -- about the feet of clay)

86 posted on 05/21/2007 7:03:39 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The answers remain available; Wisdom is obtained by asking all the right questions!)
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To: Valin
What do Muslims think?

And I answered that question with my opinion. For what my opinion is worth, muslims will not reform their religon because they see nothing wrong with it.

I personally know a muslim from 'palestine' that came to the USA and is now a data network adminstrator. He originally came to the USA as a college student.
As he became older he decided to adhere more strictly to his religon, Islam, and now wants a 'good muslim wife'.
His definition of a 'good muslim wife'? She will wear a burkha, she will take any and all of his requests as gospel, she will not be educated, she will not work outside the home, etc, etc, etc.

As for his response to 9-11, the USA deserved it because of the state of our civilization. (See Fred Phelps Westboro 'baptist' church)

87 posted on 05/21/2007 7:12:50 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe

As he became older he decided to adhere more strictly to his religon, Islam, and now wants a ‘good muslim wife’.
His definition of a ‘good muslim wife’? She will wear a burkha, she will take any and all of his requests as gospel, she will not be educated, she will not work outside the home, etc, etc, etc.

And I know and have worked with several Muslims who would say this guy is being...well silly.


88 posted on 05/21/2007 7:19:21 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: granite

That’s really shocking. I had no idea there were so many.


89 posted on 05/21/2007 7:20:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Valin
And I know and have worked with several Muslims who would say this guy is being...well silly.

Do you believe that the muslims you know have any wish to reform their religon?

Are they in the majority of muslims?

90 posted on 05/21/2007 7:23:01 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TBP

Muslims are making it a holy war against all civilization.
If the instructions to do so were not in their holy ‘scripture’, THEN a case could be made that it is not the ideaology.
It is in the scripture. It is the ideaology.
Yet there are those who will insist that the reason the terrorists scream to the world is not really the reason for their actions.
Who would know better than they?
This is like telling someone beating the crap out of you that they REALLY aren’t doing it because they want to hurt you/ want your money, your car, whatever. When they say ‘I want all your money’, that IS why they have attacked you. Your insisting that it’s because they’re constipated doesn’t change that fact.
The terrorists have scriptural PERMISSION( orders in fact) from their RELIGION to dominate or destroy.They say it’s about religion- and its domination of the world. Religion IS their reason. All of our desperate semantics to the contrary can’t change that.

If there were no terrorists at all, the violent, evil ideaology of Islam would still exist as long as the Koran exists. It would still be as evil as ‘Mein Kamph’ is- even without the soldiers who would enforce its ideas.
The language is evil, the ideas are evil, and any ‘religion’ that has that at its core is evil- the percentages of obedient adherents doesn’t matter. It’s the ‘religion’.


91 posted on 05/21/2007 7:23:46 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Just another Joe
On those occasions that the subject comes up, the answers go from “Yes” to “Ya got me” to “No, you don’t understand”

What we are seeing in the GWOT is a civil war inside Islam, and we are collateral damage.

92 posted on 05/21/2007 7:44:56 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: nuconvert

Yeah, OK, doctor, so how do we know the difference? Is it by the sword in their hand? or the finger on the bomb? or the machete about to hit the neck? or the screams that invoke the deity as people are killed?
Has the doctor heard of the Sudden Jihad Syndrome whereby someone with no history of violence suddenly kills innocent people?
I propose that all members of a violent ideology be EXPELLED!


93 posted on 05/21/2007 7:53:40 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: nuconvert
The question remains-- who or what defines Islam, and under what authority?

That's a good question.

It's a question Christians should also consider, not that I'm putting the two religions on the same level.

94 posted on 05/21/2007 8:01:12 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: expatguy
How many good Catholics condemn lapsed Catholics for their views of abortion? That is more to the point. The first shock to classical Catholicism was the Reformation, a rejection of the worst abuses of that church. But it not only resulted in a schism of the church, it brought about reconsideration within the church to its own needs to reform. The second great shock to Catholicism was entirely voluntary, the Vatican II conclave, which was even more far-reaching in its effects on the church. It went too far, it was later decided, in even challenging the core values of the church. Ironically, it also created a schism within that church. But one between the religious and secular, or cultural, Catholics. Between those who truly embraced the faith as a faith, and those who just were part of its social structure, without any real interest in Catholic doctrines or worship. Many prominent American Catholic politicians are of the latter group--being nominally Catholic because in their youth that was the only way to political power. And only within the last few weeks has the church finally decided that embracing such nominal Catholics, because of their political might, is just not worth it. They must cease in their anti-Catholic behavior, supporting such doctrines as abortion and euthanasia, or they automatically excommunicate themselves from their faith, and cannot claim membership in the faith in their quest for power. But Islam has been cursed by a lack of reformation, in fact, just the opposite. In the late 11th and early 12th Centuries, the Persian philosopher al-Ghizali (there were several of similar name, so spelling is important) and his peers formalized the rejection of innovation and learning, advocating only knowledge which existed in the Koran, which ended the scientific and cultural progress of Islam. This was done as a xenophobic reaction to foreign threats to Persia at the time. It took many years for this fundamentalist philosophy to run through the Ummah, ending in West Africa just as Islam was driven out of Europe. Had the great libraries and magnificent artifacts remained in Muslim hands much longer, it is likely they would have been destroyed, as something that would lead the faithful astray. But being captured by the Christians, they led the way for them from the Dark Ages. Several more times, though, Islam has had its enlightenment crushed by such forces of fundamentalism and stagnation. The most recent, Salafist-Wahabbism, is perhaps the most terrible, destroying art, music, culture, science and non-religious learning everywhere it gets sway. The Taliban were only unique in that didn't care if the world saw their barbarism, their rule by whim, cruelty and viciousness. They thought it good advertising for their beliefs. Today it even destroys the few vestiges of history remaining in Islam of its founding in Arabia. Mosques are purged of their unique and beautiful artwork, remnants of the life of Mohammed and his family are erased, and non-fundamentalist sects are oppressed. In truth, the struggle between Islam and the West is the struggle ongoing since the days of the Roman Empire. It is not one of religion, but of civility versus barbarism. Barbarism cannot survive next to civilization, as even the common man will choose to live in civility rather than servitude and fear. So only those who richly profit from primitivism truly support barbarism, and they must leave no hope in those they rule that a better way may exist for them. It is a tremendous irony of Islam, that in its origins, *it* was civilization rejecting barbarity, and therein lied its power to convert, by persuasion, not coercion. It tried to transcend bitter tribalism and proto-nationalism, to create a religious civility, and so it thrived. Even within the Koran, the technological innovation of the time was embraced, because they were the ideas of progress. But like the Amish in the US, whose dress and behavior was codified in its origins to blend in with society, it stopped innovating, so now the Amish and the Muslim are to a great extent stuck in the past, and are anachronisms in the modern world. To Islamic scholars, they are caught in the paradox of still thinking of Islam as progressive and civil, above the barbarity of the world. But this was the barbarity of the world a thousand years ago, not today. So it truly is not out of character that they call for the death of those who say that Islam is not "a religion of peace". They do not see the hypocrisy of such a fatwah, or they refuse to admit it, for that would be an admission of barbarism, that Islam must reform itself or be lost to history, like the barbarism it sought to transcend. Years ago, I counseled a convert to Islam to search the Koran to find an interpretation of his faith more in line with the world today. I said that he should seek examples in the world of the struggle of jihad, and its success or failure based on its method. That is, I pointed to endless examples of Muslims who used violence, cruelty, viciousness, and war as their tools of jihad. And how theirs was the path to endless failure, defeat and humiliation. How God despised them, as any could see who would open their eyes. But more importantly, I then gave many examples of Muslims whose method of jihad was within themselves, a truly difficult struggle to overcome the meanness of man, to learn how to treat others with kindness and acceptance, and to meet oppression with prayer and forgiveness. And how this latter group prospered and overcame their oppressors, how their examples persuaded others of the value of Islam as a faith and way of living. And how they became enlightened in their religion, prosperous on the Earth and joyful in their faith. Because this is the Reformation needed within Islam. To realize that what God favors of man he rewards in many ways, and how He shuns cruelty, barbarism, oppression and cruelty. Even more so when such things are done in His name. The evidence surrounds us.
95 posted on 05/21/2007 8:03:26 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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96 posted on 05/21/2007 8:08:25 AM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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To: GladesGuru
This article is classic al-tarqayya/kitman. Mr. Muslim makes statements like the following: “But academically, when dealing with the faith of one-quarter of the world, and with its history, a central morality of individual Islam (the personal character of most Muslims) has generally demonstrated synergy with Judaism and Christianity.

Historically, "synergy with Judaism and Christianity" has meant conversion or death.

I like this definition of Islam from the old Catholic Encyclopedia:

In matters political Islam is a system of despotism at home and aggression abroad. The Prophet commanded absolute submission to the imâm. In no case was the sword to be raised against him. The rights of non-Moslem subjects are of the vaguest and most limited kind, and a religious war is a sacred duty whenever there is a chance of success against the "Infidel". Medieval and modern Mohammedan, especially Turkish, persecutions of both Jews and Christians are perhaps the best illustration of this fanatical religious and political spirit.

97 posted on 05/21/2007 8:09:54 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: GladesGuru
were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled -

Churchill's only error in an otherwise good statement. He has it exactly backwards here.

The Origin of Science.

98 posted on 05/21/2007 8:19:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Popocatapetl
One influencial country has the power though now for change and that is Saudi Arabia.

Without Saudi change then will not see the end of this Islamic resurgence.

99 posted on 05/21/2007 8:31:20 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Aquinasfan

With all due respect to teh Catholic Church’s being the de facto repository of knowledge in the Dark Ages, the scientific method is what made possible the technological revolution which began in the start of the Rennaissance.

The Church did attempt to destroy the practioners of scientific method.

The last of the rules of science, taught to me as part of the scientific method was that “Science accepts no authorities.”

This was explained in terms of the hypothesis being tested and teh data supporting or contradicting the hypothesis was what mattered - NOT who made the argument.

As the Church is committed to authority, the schism was both unavoidable and inevitable. The Church deals with things spiritual, science with things verifiable.

Belief simply is a matter of faith. Science can only verify hypothesis and promises only probabilities. Churches can offer truth, but in spiritual matters, rather than verifiable matters here on earth.

To say that science was the result of faith is perhaps less accurate than that the inquiring, and those fed-up-with authorities, managed to find a moment in history when they could escape the iron rule of the Church - and by creating wealth with their newly forged scientific method of inquiry, were able to retain their intellectual freedom against the Inquisition.


100 posted on 05/21/2007 9:03:36 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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