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Fredipedia v2.33: The Definitive Fred Thompson Quick Reference
1 posted on 05/19/2007 3:49:34 AM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Sturm Ruger
MRL: You've done your homework.

Yes, he has. The anti-Fredsters aren't going to sink him with their silly "he's not as conservative as Lindsey Graham" bunk.

Sturm Ruger, I believe this is the post that has finally made me a Fred fan...will have to think about it a little more, but I've been looking, and really, there is no one else.

2 posted on 05/19/2007 3:53:28 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Sturm Ruger

God knows, I hope he gets in the race. We have Duncan Hunter and Thompson...two great candidates.


3 posted on 05/19/2007 3:53:44 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Sturm Ruger
You know, I've pointed out that I don't think that we have to have a choice between amnesty on the one hand, and trying to arrest everybody and put them on buses. Practically, that's not going to happen. But you don't have to choose between those if you can have attrition through enforcement, if we enforce the law with regard to employers

That's been my position exactly since the beginning. Throw these landscapers and contractors in JAIL, who enable illegal activity. That stops them from coming here, if they can't find someone to hire them.

4 posted on 05/19/2007 3:56:44 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Democrats:more miserable than Donald Trump being forced to watch Rosie O’Donnell River Dance naked.)
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To: Sturm Ruger
The Democrats have decided that the politicians that make it the easiest for people to come into this country are going to get their votes. And some of the Republicans are looking at that and saying, "They may just be right, and we want to get in on the action." I think that's driving a lot of this. You know, I don't know the answer to that, but if you study history, you come to the conclusion that doing the right thing often times works out. We can't predict how this is going to work or how that's going to work, but when the rule of law is at stake, when national security is at stake, when you're doing some things that's unfair to good people who are standing in line waiting their turn to be good United States citizens legally, then you have to put that aside.

That's SO right on.

5 posted on 05/19/2007 4:02:41 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Democrats:more miserable than Donald Trump being forced to watch Rosie O’Donnell River Dance naked.)
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To: SE Mom; Politicalmom; RockinRight; NeoCaveman

i love BOTH of these guys!


7 posted on 05/19/2007 4:08:15 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Sturm Ruger
"But you don't have to choose between those if you can have attrition through enforcement, if we enforce the law with regard to employers - and we have an eligibility verification system out there that's voluntary; it should be mandatory - if we made arrests, if we reduced the inducements that especially some of these states give - some of which is against federal law incidentally, and some of that is not being enforced - if we talked a little straighter to Mexico . . . ."

Finally, an answer that is both brilliant and practical. No, we are NOT able to deport 12 million people. But we don't have to. It's the "broken window" tactic: if you allow a broken window on a block, people get the idea they can break the law in other areas. You FIX WHAT YOU CAN WHEN YOU CAN, and people begin to self-enforce. For example, I'm convinced that many employers who hire illegals do so UNwillingly, but they feel they have no choice if they want to compete. Well, if the law were enforced, and they thought it was a "level playing field," they'd obey the law willingly. NOT ALL, but many. It's like a concert. If there is a fence around the concert and people are buying tickets, then people will buy tickets. But if some hooligans tear down the fence and people begin to flood in, even many honest people will say, "Well, everyone else is doing it."

If we were to deport just HALF A MILLION, it would have the effect of removing perhaps six million or so. Employers would stop hiring; the threat of being deported would rise; and so on.

9 posted on 05/19/2007 4:15:52 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Sturm Ruger
Here is Thompson's position in bullet points from the paragraph above:

That's better than most I've heard. But still leaves a lot of questions. The first is problematic - states will want to cater to the mass of potential voters and how far into cutting bennies would they go? Knocking down the doors or employers is fine with me, but most chamber of commerce Pubs won't like it. Item three will be difficult to begin and administer; could be done though. Last one is a no-brainer; no downside on the stump with this.

11 posted on 05/19/2007 4:25:17 AM PDT by gotribe ( I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution... - Grover Cleveland.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

And make MAL head of homeland security in the Thompson/Hunter administration.We need to get behind this for the sake of our children and grand children.


12 posted on 05/19/2007 4:28:01 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Sturm Ruger
"And I must say that I've noticed here on the net the last little bit that some of my worthy opponents have been taking some of my comments out of context.."

Worthy opponents. Sounds like recognition that he is in a campaign, announced or otherwise.

After all the hype about how Howard "Screamer" Dean was running the first internet-based campaign in 2004, all he did was send out emails and solicit money. Thompson is actually running an internet/alternative media campaign, and as getting as much mileage out of it as the guys who are spending all their time at fundraisers. It will be interesting to see if it works for him. I sure hope it will.

14 posted on 05/19/2007 4:30:36 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (Conservatives want to destroy terrorism. Liberals want to destroy conservatives.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Fred continues to sound better and better.

Eliminate McCain, Rudy and Paul from serious consideration, they’re done. Get Fred in, possibly Newt, and we’re beginning to bring together some good choices, and some people who can really deal with the issues.


18 posted on 05/19/2007 4:36:02 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; MOgirl

Since you missed some of Fred last night.


20 posted on 05/19/2007 4:41:40 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Sturm Ruger

I think a Thompson/Watts ticket would be good. With Jeff Sessions as the attorney general, Hunter as national security or Defense sec., and john bolton as sec of state. :)


23 posted on 05/19/2007 5:23:21 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (("When our problems in the country seem larger, our politicians become smaller. " Fred Thompson)
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To: Sturm Ruger; Temple Owl; Jim Robinson
But, as you say, the bill is not complete in any way. Portions of it are floating around now that have typos, incomplete. Beats anything that I've seen. You know, having big thick bills and passing them on voice vote is not uncommon, unfortunately, to the way the Senate operates. But on something of this importance that people have strong views on, I think it is unprecedented, to my knowledge.

It kind of makes you wonder what else Kennedy snuck in it.

Don't forget the Dems control the Senate now along with the House.

25 posted on 05/19/2007 5:28:47 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Sturm Ruger
we're becomming more of an elderly society, with fewer workers proportionately and so forth. Part of it is based on good things - we're living longer - it's just something to face up to. It's not anybody's fault.

Incorrect. It is our fault that we are becoming an elderly society. This aging generation made its bed when it cut off the growth of the next generation through abortion. 50 million dead in this country alone from infanticide is the reason we are ignoring our laws to allow illegal immigrants to pick up the slack. We have literally cut off our legs as a society and the price will only escalate into full blown social decay. The mark of the beast is everywhere - the growth of gang culture, the failure of government programs, the steady influx of terrorists, the breakdown of morality and civility. That is the message I am not hearing from any candidate.

26 posted on 05/19/2007 5:30:37 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Great post Sturm.

Notice that FDT mentions up front about the policy of attrition, a policy I have said all along was the key to getting this problem under control.

And FDT indicated he understands the details of the policy.

There should be no doubt now where FDT stands on the issue of illegal aliens.

He’s for securing the borders and establishing a policy where illegals go home on their own.

The way that is done is to cut off the ability to send money by wire unless the person can show proper ID.

Making it mandatory that employers use the employment verification system is something I am a tad leery of because it smacks of national ID issues.

Having a crackdown on employers who hire illegals is also something to frown on. I am against anything that increases the police state in America.

We want to stop the flow of new illegals into the USA by having secure borders.

The question is how to get rid of the illegals that are here now.

Once the ability to wire money by illegals is shut down then they have no place to put their money except under a mattress. They should not be able to open a bank account without showing legal presence.

Their only recourse is to walk their money back across the border. Putting money in the mail is too risky especially if random scanning of international mail is part of the attrition policy. Having someone else walk the money across the border is also risky.

Without the ability to bank or wire money, the life for these folks in the USA is going to be unpleasant. The downside in that context is the creation of an underclass that liberals can use as a club to beat conservatives with. Pictures of poor Hector and his wife and five children living in a homeless state will be shoved in everyone’s view.

My suggestion to the underclass problem is to have the Federal government contract with Greyhound, Trailways and others to provide transportation to Mexico for the underclass that have finally decided to go back home. No arrests, no incarceration nor long drawn out court cases, just a bus pass to go home.

Those illegals that continue to hang around the street corners can be picked up on loitering and vagrancy charges. Once determined to have illegal presence they can be offered a police bus.

Another local policy that should be strengthened is density enforcement. No more allowing 35 people or so to live in a two bedroom bungalow.

When illegals cannot bank, cannot find a decent dwelling to live in, cannot send money, cannot get back and forth across the border, then they will eventually get on the bus or be picked up and be put on a bus.

I think FDT will not force states to reduce inducements because of his Federalist philsophy. The proper way to handle states that offer inducements is to reduce the socialism that flows from the Federal level to those states that provide inducements to illegals.


29 posted on 05/19/2007 6:05:07 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Fred for Pres!

Mark for Veep!


31 posted on 05/19/2007 6:09:39 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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33 posted on 05/19/2007 6:19:14 AM PDT by jellybean (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT! Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Sturm Ruger
You know, having big thick bills and passing them on voice vote is not uncommon, unfortunately, to the way the Senate operates.

I've known this a long time, of course, but it still makes me shudder.

The Democrats have decided that the politicians that make it the easiest for people to come into this country are going to get their votes. And some of the Republicans are looking at that and saying, "They may just be right, and we want to get in on the action."

It makes me sick, but we saw this coming with the "¡Viva Bush!" bumper stickers. I supported Bush, and still do on the balance, but even then I wondered what kind of Republican Party would say something like that. Not only is it in a foreign language, but the strong pseudo-royalist connotations of the phrase is simply not becoming of a party with the word "Republic" in its name.

I know, I know. It's just a bumper sticker, but I still get worked up over it six years later.
37 posted on 05/19/2007 6:48:32 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Thompson/Franks '08)
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To: Sturm Ruger

More and more, I want FDT to get into the race and, hopefully, continue on to the presidency. He gets it. He understands the issues and sees what needs to be done. If he can’t run, then it’s Mit Romney.


38 posted on 05/19/2007 6:56:46 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Sturm Ruger

bttt for a great candidate who will be the next President of the USA!


44 posted on 05/19/2007 7:33:57 AM PDT by RobFromGa (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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