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Postmodern Physics - Colleges Fail to Teach Basics - Even in Physics!
popecenter.org ^ | May 16, 2007 | Frank Tipler

Posted on 05/17/2007 10:53:43 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem
I had another (recent grad) engineer try to explain to me that people weigh less if the scale is on a carpet.

I explained Newton’s second law, and he told me that the carpet acted as a spring that “absorbed” some of the weight.

I drew the free body diagram, and tried to explain again.

Newton’s three laws are the basis of all statics and dynamics and yet he had no “real’ understanding of them.

41 posted on 05/17/2007 12:27:46 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: neverdem
At the overwhelming majority of American universities, including Harvard, M.I.T. and Cal Tech, one is not even required to take a course in general relativity to get a Ph.D. in physics!

I call bullshit. I had to take a course in general relativity to get a B.S. in Biology at M.I.T.!

42 posted on 05/17/2007 12:48:10 PM PDT by RonF
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To: neverdem

Tipler has produced a mountain from a molehill. Practical physics is not affected to any appreciable degree by General Relativity or the Standard Model, foundational though they may be. By contrast, I bet that not knowing Shakespeare is far more damaging to English graduates.


43 posted on 05/17/2007 12:53:17 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: edsheppa
By contrast, I bet that not knowing Shakespeare is far more damaging to English graduates.

Probably not. I mean, what recent English grad is going to ask "do you want fries with that?" in iambic pentameter anyway? :)

}:-)4

44 posted on 05/17/2007 1:06:23 PM PDT by Moose4 (Deport 'em. I don't need landscaping and I'll pay more for lettuce.)
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To: RonF
"At the overwhelming majority of American universities, including Harvard, M.I.T. and Cal Tech, one is not even required to take a course in general relativity to get a Ph.D. in physics!"

I call bullshit. I had to take a course in general relativity to get a B.S. in Biology at M.I.T.!

I call an anecdotal report from a graduate of one of the the best schools, if not the best science school in the country, who momentarily lost reading comprehension.

Doctor of Philosophy and Doctor of Science
Candidates for the Doctor of Philosophy or Doctor of Science are expected to enroll in those basic graduate subjects that prepare them for the general examination, which must be passed no later than in the seventh term after initial enrollment. No specific subjects of study are prescribed, except for the requirement of two subjects in the candidate's doctoral research area and two subjects outside the candidate's field of specialization (breadth requirement). Half of the breadth requirement may be satisfied through a departmentally approved industrial internship. The doctoral thesis must represent a substantial piece of original research, carried out under the supervision of a department faculty member.

The Physics Department faculty members offer subjects of instruction and are engaged in research in a variety of fields in experimental and theoretical physics. This broad spectrum of activities is organized in the divisional structure of the department, presented below. Graduate students are encouraged to contact faculty members in the division of their choice to inquire about opportunities for research, and to pass through an apprenticeship (by signing up for Special Problems in Graduate Physics) as a first step toward an engagement in independent research for a doctoral thesis.

45 posted on 05/17/2007 1:08:55 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Mikey_1962

I had another (recent grad) engineer try to explain to me that people weigh less if the scale is on a carpet.
I explained Newton’s second law, and he told me that the carpet acted as a spring that “absorbed” some of the weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Surely you jest! I knew better than that by age 12!


46 posted on 05/17/2007 1:34:13 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: jude24
Well, the page on the law school cite that describes the changes to the first year curriculum has been changed since the first day, but HERE is the page that replaced it. As you can see, they no longer mention what was dropped, only what was added. I guess they took a lot of flak and decided that a long winded explanation of the changes was less controversial.
47 posted on 05/17/2007 1:38:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: neverdem
I've said it many times here before.........The Cream Will Rise To The Top!

The big problem is with Ol' Slick's comment that _ Everyone who wants a college should get one....This is a WASTE of taxpayers resources. Kids should be able to do algebra and write a paragraph BEFORE they get to college,,,,,,,,,

48 posted on 05/17/2007 1:39:50 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: aruanan
Were you pointing out all my spelling errors? I already apologized for misspelling precedent.
49 posted on 05/17/2007 1:40:41 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Actually, on the bottom of the page, it explains that room was made by cutting hours of instruction needed for contracts, civ. pro., property, and crim. law.

I'd need to know more about the material presented in the new courses. Especially for Harvard lawyers (who may have multinational practices), knowing something about international law is probably a good thing.

50 posted on 05/17/2007 1:40:56 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: aruanan

OUCH! Ur bean to strik heer...........;^)


51 posted on 05/17/2007 1:45:23 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Eva

Get the Google toolbar. It has a great spell-check function.


52 posted on 05/17/2007 1:46:42 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: Constantine XIII
Ever feel like you’re in a room with a whole lot of people who have not idea what’s being discussed? :p

Sorry. Since so many of the science posters have been banned, there's no help for it anymore.

I disagree with Tipler. I took courses in general relativity as an undergrad (under Max Dresden at Stony Brook) and as a graduate student (under Lay Nam Chang at Virginia Tech), but those were elective, and should have been.

At the undergraduate level, few students have the math background to approach it. Very few students who take a B.S. in physics will ever need it. They'd do better to take an advanced course in quantum mechanics, or a course in computer programming.

At the graduate level, typically two years of coursework are required, but those two years are wall-to-wall mechanics, E&M, and quantum mechanics, and it's barely adequate. After that, the student may elect to take more courses, but not too many: he really needs to get cracking on his research. There's no time to waste.

I took the GR courses because the subject interested me, but I've never had to use my knowledge in any professional capacity. The courses I took in the Standard Model were relevant to my specialty, but weren't (and shouldn't have been) required.

53 posted on 05/17/2007 1:47:40 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Moose4

To get fries or not to get fries, that is the question.

Weather it is nobler in the mind to suffer

the onion rings of outrageous halitosis

or to take up a baked potato against a sea of greasy fried food


54 posted on 05/17/2007 1:49:06 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: jude24

It turns out the Boston Globe reported the changes at the time: I’m just pasting the URL because every time I tried to post the link, it didn’t work. http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2006/10/07/harvard_law_to_refocus_the_first_year/


55 posted on 05/17/2007 1:52:22 PM PDT by Eva
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56 posted on 05/17/2007 2:00:56 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: neverdem

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57 posted on 05/17/2007 2:02:52 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: neverdem

Every year for four years running, my dad dug up this garden plot adjacent to the house; my job was to stack all the rocks and stones dug up and then to weed the sparse growth resulting from his hard labor in the weeks to follow planting.

To this day I hate working in the garden and refuse to start one of my own.

A year before my dad died and just after I had left home to join the Air Force I asked him why he kept digging up what I had come to call the rock garden.

His answer was that that was what his dad and his dad before him had done and he thought it was expected of him.

The summer before my dad died he dug up the lower level of the lot where the dirt lay up against the fence and he grew the finest green onions he had ever grown.

He said he was saving them all to use as sets for the real garden up beside the rocks for the following year.

After I left the service, at my sister’s pleading, I went to the graveyard where my dad had been buried.

After walking around all afternoon all I found were rocks and wild onions.


58 posted on 05/17/2007 2:05:01 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: neverdem

You can’t teach physics and evolution in the same school. The physicists will ask too many questions of the evolutionists and ruin their theory/religion.


59 posted on 05/17/2007 2:05:08 PM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: jude24

I don’t think that international law or Islamic law should take PRECEDENCE over US law, especially in the freshman year.

Google won’t pick the difference between effect and affect.

Anyway, my freshman English comp teacher said that studies show that the brightest and fastest readers are terrible spellers, so our class was the only section required to include spelling in the curriculum. (No excuse, though)


60 posted on 05/17/2007 2:05:14 PM PDT by Eva
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