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Michelle [Malkin] Takes on Ron Paul and the Truthers (Lumps Him In With Fellow "Truther" O'Donnell)
HotAir.com ^ | 05/16/2007 | Michelle Malkin (via Bryan)

Posted on 05/16/2007 4:24:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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To: Badeye

That was good wasn’t it? lmao ~P~


121 posted on 05/17/2007 10:55:50 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812

I thought so. Although I believe Rue Paul could kick his butt.


122 posted on 05/17/2007 10:57:47 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye

lmao ....I don’t know why I hear Ron Paul & it reminds me of RuPaul. Happens each time I hear it. I think you’re right RuPaul could kick his butt. RuPaul is in better shape. ~P~


123 posted on 05/17/2007 11:04:06 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Xenalyte
You perhaps should start listening to the words he's saying, and quit trying to find implications in them.

Words have implications as actions have consequences.

I didn't "try" to find implications in them - I FOUND implication in them, as obviously a lot of other FReepers and the public did also.

If Paul, excuse me, DOCTOR Paul, doesn't want implications to follow from his words, then he should just shut up or go into a closet.

That the fanatic Jihadists have sworn to kill us - and have killed thousands of our citizens, along with hundreds of thousands of the Islamic faith because they are not sufficiently "pure" - would seem to have the most serious of implications for all of us.

Unless of course we are of those who lack the DNA for survival.

124 posted on 05/17/2007 11:04:18 AM PDT by mtntop3
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To: RavenATB

I’m asking a question, that’s all.

Perhaps you should stop trying to find implications in what I ask, and concentrate on the words.

So if the Unabomber came out and told you why he bombed people, you’d not believe him?


125 posted on 05/17/2007 11:12:04 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: mtntop3

Then perhaps you should quit FINDING implications in the words, and listen to the words themselves.

Words mean what they mean. Ascribing additional meaning to them is intellectually dishonest at best.


126 posted on 05/17/2007 11:12:45 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: Steel Wolf
That's the point that his supporters seem to be missing. Ron Paul may be a rock solid defender of the Constitution, a patriot, a veteran, and a staunch conservative. He's also bonkers.

I'd say the opposite is true. Paul's one of the few sane men, and most of the rest of the country is bonkers.

We're a country of children now, not men.

You seriously think Paul is so delusional that he thinks he'll be elected President? All it takes is 10 minutes of studying public opinion polls to find out that Americans don't know squat about nor care about their Constitution. Think of how many people he's exposed to libertarian and constitutional perspectives...much more efficient than other kinds of education.

127 posted on 05/17/2007 11:44:24 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Xenalyte
You're missing the point. Paul isn't merely using Bin Laden's words to explain the motivation for 9/11. He is taking Bin Laden's cue to have us flee the Middle East. The Unabomber's words suggested he was angry about commercialism, technology, development etc. But those are just words. The bottom line is he was nuts. We should no more pull out of our role in the world for fear of Bin Laden's terrorism than we should stop technological advancement for fear of terrorism from people like the Unabomber.
128 posted on 05/17/2007 12:49:44 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom

If you really got that from what Paul SAID, then you are reading into his statements.

Listen to what he said. Don’t assign implications or other meanings to it.

He’s telling us why something happened. He is not maintaining that we deserved or earned it.


129 posted on 05/17/2007 12:51:54 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: soccermom
, it was the failure to enforce sanctions imposed on Germany after WWI that led to WWII. Sound familiar?

Baloney, it was the punitive nature of the sactions ($s) against Germany that created the conditions for hitler's election. Sure, France failed to do anything when hitler put German troops into the Rhein. However, invading Germany to stop that move wouldn't have prevented the war either. And frankly who knows which direction the axis/allied allies would have gone had the above invasion from France into Germany taken place.

130 posted on 05/17/2007 1:44:54 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Xenalyte
Then perhaps you should quit FINDING implications in the words, and listen to the words themselves

Of course...how could I have been so obtuse...I should only, as you so astutely observe, "listen to the words themselves" and "quit FINDING implications in the words."

And that will presumably bring me the enlightenment of the (Dr.) Ron Paul adherents, sect members, or whatever.

They, too, have obviously quit finding implications in his words.

131 posted on 05/17/2007 1:50:22 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: mtntop3

Why would you waste time and energy reading into someone’s statements? It’s a lot easier to listen to the words themselves, and not try to find a meaning they don’t have. It’s also frankly tacky, if you “intuit” a totally incorrect alternate meaning.

Dr. Paul means what he says. Nothing more, nothing less. That’s why he doesn’t speak in sound bites.


132 posted on 05/17/2007 1:51:53 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: mtntop3

Why did you put Dr. in parentheses? He is one.


133 posted on 05/17/2007 1:52:51 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: Swordfished
Ron Paul cares more about the U.S. Constitution than anybody here.

That's nice that he cares -- but he's also a nut!
134 posted on 05/17/2007 2:06:53 PM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: traviskicks

Doing nothing yields the best result? Six million Jews might disagree. So might untold millions of Eastern Europeans who are now freed from the Soviets. I served in South Korea, I can guarantee you that there are millions there who are well fed and prosperous while their countrymen to the north are starving in the dark.

And lets discuss more about American policy in the mid-east being the on-off switch for terrorism....

You surely are aware of Bernard Lewis’s recent column in the WSJ::

Most remarkable of all was the response of the Arab and other Muslim countries to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979. Washington’s handling of the Tehran hostage crisis assured the Soviets that they had nothing to fear from the U.S. They already knew that they need not worry about the Arab and other Muslim governments. The Soviets already ruled — or misruled — half a dozen Muslim countries in Asia, without arousing any opposition or criticism. Initially, their decision and action to invade and conquer Afghanistan and install a puppet regime in Kabul went almost unresisted. After weeks of debate, the U.N. General Assembly finally was persuaded to pass a resolution “strongly deploring the recent armed intervention in Afghanistan.” The words “condemn” and “aggression” were not used, and the source of the “intervention” was not named. Even this anodyne resolution was too much for some of the Arab states. South Yemen voted no; Algeria and Syria abstained; Libya was absent; the non-voting PLO observer to the Assembly even made a speech defending the Soviets.

Again, the simple ‘we exercise influence in the Mideast so they hate us’ does not validly describe history or human affairs.


135 posted on 05/17/2007 2:23:22 PM PDT by sgtyork (Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law.)
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To: Beckwith; Swordfished; sgtyork
Ron Paul cares more about the U.S. Constitution than anybody here.

One might think that somebody who cares about the U. S. Constitution would also care about the Constitution of a new Iraqi nation and its people striving against decades of murderous oppression - instead of rationalizing the murderous oppression, both there and when it is exported here in the form of terrorism.

Paul's remarks have a place - in academia and related venues. They have no place in government when we are fighting an enemy sworn to kill us all; and when the failure to overcome that enemy means that the enemy's intent may well become reality.

136 posted on 05/17/2007 2:46:45 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: Xenalyte
“So if the Unabomber came out and told you why he bombed people, you’d not believe him?

If the Unibomber was engaged in an attempt to recruit thousands of followers to participate in waging a terrorist war against western democracies...no!

137 posted on 05/17/2007 3:13:04 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: RavenATB

If you don’t ask the person who commits an act about why he did it, how are you going to know the reasoning behind it? Will you just assign him a reason and decide that’s it, regardless of what he says?

Seems to me the best way to find out a perp’s motive is to, um, ask the perp.


138 posted on 05/17/2007 3:14:44 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: traviskicks
That is what you American Firsters don’t get. We can offer mild security measures like the NSA wiretaps (big deal - they are recording overseas phonecalls) and fight the war on their front and live in safety on the homefront. Or we can abandon the war on terror and hunker down here. But how exactly will that stop them from killing us on our homefront? We will have to shut down our borders and create a military state. Those are your only choices. Either create a Fortress America - shut down all international trade and have a military state OR actually fight the enemy on his battleground so we don’t have to.

Please don’t tell me what you are arguing is that if we leave the Middle East we will be forgiven and the Islamists will leave us alone?

139 posted on 05/17/2007 3:15:01 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Xenalyte

“Seems to me the best way to find out a perp’s motive is to, um, ask the perp.”

Only an complete idiot would trust the word of a terrorist.


140 posted on 05/17/2007 3:42:01 PM PDT by RavenATB
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