Posted on 05/16/2007 1:25:01 PM PDT by dcwusmc
This is a question which requires a lot of thought and introspection. I realize and understand that many of you are pure knee-jerk, but try. Did the United States and the Federal Government in ANY way contribute to 9/11? Were our policies in the mid-east in any possible way factors which allowed a nutjob like Osama Bin Awful to recruit moonbats who were and are willing to die to kill "infidels," whether in the U.S. or overseas? If you say "no,' I ask for clear evidence to back you up. If you say "yes," then to what DEGREE did our policies contribute to 9/11 and subsequent attacks and attempted attacks? Which policies and why?
This is in no way to excuse what happened, of course. But to many of you here, it seems we were pure as the driven snow and 9/11 happened out of thin air and is totally inexplicable in terms of our own government's past actions and policies. Since the roots of it go back to Clinton and beyond (I would say at least to Jimmy the Peanut, myself, perhaps sooner), this does NOT constitute Bush-bashing, as some others are wont to claim (again, a kneejerk reaction).
It is my considered opinion that MANY of our presidents have thought so highly of themselves that they could consider that THEY, alone, held all the answers to all the factionalism and all the troubles in the Middle East. That they could, by virtue of their own personalities and whatever, overcome CENTURIES of fighting, infighting, atrocities and counter-atrocities by all these Arabs and Persians and even the Jews. (It seems that throughout history, MOST societies have scapegoated the Jews for all their ills.) Add the witches' brew of Mohammedanism to an already-backwards culture and we have semi-literate people with hair-triggers who WANT to believe the worst about outsiders, Jew OR Gentile. Then give them even the least bit of fact to bite on and a nutcase like Osama can wind up with scores of thousands of wanna-bee martyrs. And WE fell into that trap. When we took sides in their fratricidal civil wars. Even when we abandoned an "ally" and then allowed him into our country for medical treatment... one group took things one way, another took things THEIR way and now it seems we have the three main sects of that false religion after us.
Let me clarify now that I am a fervent supporter of Israel and the Jewish People, God's Chosen. However, I am NOT a supporter of GOVERNMENT AID to Israel. Besides the very questionable constitutionality of it, the aid comes with, in my opinion, way too many strings which inhibit Israel from mounting a proper defense of herself when needed. Also it gives American presidents, who are already too full of themselves, an arrogance that THEY ALONE can surmount the hatreds and ill wills that drive the Muslim countries to want to see Israel eradicated and all the Jews of the world exterminated.
The main problem as I see it is that if we refuse to look beyond our own prejudices and biases to the FACTS, we will LOSE our country and our culture. If we choose to blindly follow dangerous or misguided or even evil policies and policy makers, we will wind up with NOTHING of the once-free nation handed off to us by the Founders. I even sometimes do it, then I have to actually THINK for myself. Mostly I come down on the side that says that the people who attacked us and who continue to act like a plague upon the land should be wiped slick from the earth. However, I often strongly question the MEANS for doing that... and I question the WILL of the Bushites to WIN the war on terrorists and their sponsoring countries. I also have trouble with the name of this: The Global War on Terror. Terrorism is a TACTIC used by those who are too cowardly to come up against an opposing force on an even footing. It is also SPONSORED by certain nations who would see us done ill, but who want to keep their own hands "clean." Thus, there can be NO "war on terror," and it is the semantics which get in the way of WINNING, because there is no way to determine when or if you HAVE won. This is why I, along with others (including a presidential candidate who shall remain nameless), am convinced that we should have had a declaration by the Congress that specifically stated that a state of war exists between the United States and al-Qaeda, the Taliban and any nation which supports or harbors them. That way we would have mobilized our national resources, went on an actual WAR-footing and committed our country and our people and our resources to WINNING this thing instead of having it now to be used as a political football by the Left and the chickenhawks on the right.
So, in hindsight, COULD we have taken a different path years back that would NOT NECESSARILY have led to 9/11? Or are we as pure as the driven snow and those nutballs just up and decided to attack us because they could get away with it?
Did the United States and the Federal Government in ANY way contribute to 9/11? Were our policies in the mid-east in any possible way factors which allowed a nutjob like Osama Bin Awful to recruit moonbats who were and are willing to die to kill "infidels," whether in the U.S. or overseas? If you say "no,' I ask for clear evidence to back you up.
One cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof rests with those who make an affirmative claim, that our policy did contribute to 9/11.
Where in the Constitution does it say we should make it policy to send our tax money to ANY other country other than via private enterprise?
Sure “we” did. Our government and many of our people refuse to call pure evil what it is, and instead spout endless garbage about how we respect their culture and religion, love how having lots of them come here enriches our nation by making it more diverse, and on and on and on. Instead of treating these people like mortal enemies, we treated them like buddies.
Policies have nothing to do with 911. It is and was and is to be, the religion of Islam and the radical muslims that practice it. They were just being ‘good muslims’ and following what their leader told them to do... which is to murder all infidels. They did it because they were promised an orgy in heaven by a lying, thieving, murdering, raping, pedophile. And if they aren’t murdering the infidels, they are most happy to murder their own kind. Women, children... doesn’t matter. It’s Islam and only Islam. The problem is, is that we are funding them to commit murder by buying their oil to the tune of a billion dollars a day.
Sir, I’ve posed this question many times here, inviting critical thinking.
I’ve received only private replies (Freep mail). People seem afraid to discuss it openly here.
It’s an important question for our National Security, and you’ve framed it well. But it’s unlikely you’ll receive a worthy response or serious dialogue.
Thank you for your service to our country.
When I see the word "Bushites" - it sends up a red flag to me.
One of my professors in law school made a very convincing argument that Islamic terrorism is a response to globalization, an attempt to reject the perceived excesses of Westernization by being other-worldly.
Thanks. Well thought-out reply!
No. Islam has been that way for 1400 years. When it’s weak, which it often is because it creates only dysfunctional cultures, it’s quiet. When it gets strong (as it has because of oil money), it attacks. Even our breathing would be enough for them to attack us.
Exactly what I was thinking. Pretty absurd post acually.
Other reasons are that we plunder their treasure (oil), although we actually buy it. And he states additional reasons of having US Army bases on Saudi Arabia soil. And throw in the Palestine issue and you pretty much got all his reasons.
Do a search on:
"Osama fatwa 1996"
"Osama fatwa 1998"
You are correct and thanks.
Sounds like something a college professor would come up with .
Yes, we DID contribute to the Islamists’ hatred for us. See, we aren’t Muslims, so they hate us for that.
bombs just looking for a reason to explode.
thanks for asking.
Yes, you are anti semitic.
No, we are not responsible for the vile act of hatred perpetrated on 9-11.
It really is astounding to me how many liberals and conservatives are willing to indulge the “maybe we should let Israel go.”
Huge swaths of the Middle East openly kill and require the mass exodus of all non muslim minorities and their is nary a blink of the political eye. Please see todays announcment that a small minority of Christians must convert or die within 10 days in Pakistan.
There is not one thing wrong with the state of Israel— save that Jews live there. That is absolutely the facts. If all the Jews converted to Islam tomorrow and then they chose to kill all of the Palestinians, nothing would be said in criticism.
this is the re-institutition of the Holocaust. Iran has explicitly spelled it out dozens of times but we just look away.
Dozens if not hundreds of ethnic minorities have land claims superior to those of the so called Palestinians but they are absolutely ignored.
The Islamic Fasicsts can change— and they can change right now. No one has any moral obligation to say, ‘well I guess I antagonized you because you define yourself in terms of my non-existence.” Islamic fascism is wrong. It has always been wrong. It will always be wrong. No electoral outcome will ever change this fact. At some point, humanity will band together to defeat this vile idea.
I hope this answers your question.
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