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Teachers stage fake gun attack on kids
charlotte.com ^ | 05/13/07 | AP

Posted on 05/13/2007 3:04:17 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.

"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.

But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.

"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.

Some parents said they were upset by the staff's poor judgment in light of the April 16 shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and professors dead, including the gunman.

During the last night of the trip, staff members convinced the 69 students that there was a gunman on the loose. They were told to lie on the floor or hide underneath tables and stay quiet. A teacher, disguised in a hooded sweat shirt, even pulled on locked door.

After the lights went out, about 20 kids started to cry, 11-year-old Shay Naylor said.

"I was like, 'Oh My God,' " she said. "At first I thought I was going to die. We flipped out."

Principal Catherine Stephens declined to say whether the staff members involved would face disciplinary action, but said the situation "involved poor judgment."


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To: Oztrich Boy
The Russian Monster Bomb was actually designed for a yield of over 100 megatons, but during their test in 1961, they deliberately reduced the yield since they weren't all that sure that it wouldn't do significant damage to the atmosphere. The thing was so heavy that the Russians had to strip down its test bomber to the bare essentials just to get it off the ground and into the air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

221 posted on 05/14/2007 3:17:52 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: admiralsn
I am neither a bad teacher, nor am I an enabler. I have taught in public schools for 15 years. I do not teach an agenda, I teach a subject. When I taught high school government, I did NOT impart my conservative views on my kids any more than I allowed liberal views to enter in. I tried to teach them how to make up their own minds. If asked, I shared my opinions, but I always tried to allow students to make up their own minds.

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Honestly,,,this post is not encouraging.

If you do not teach conservatism, or liberalism ( Marxism, really), then what **are** you teaching? Nothing?

Also,,,When did children have the ability or experience to “make up their own minds” on matters of the Constitution, rule of law, free markets, Marxism, and other matters of national, international, and human importance?

The final paragraph included a string of platitudes, and several disjointed and unrelated topics. Aren’t paragraphs to be used for one topic with an introduction of an argument, a middle section for defense, and a final conclusion?

Finally, I doubt that your liberal colleagues ( Marxists and their useful idiots) are scrupulous about excluding their views from their lectures and class discussions.

222 posted on 05/14/2007 3:26:14 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: oldenuff2no

If someone is going to threaten my child to the point that they honestly believe that their life is in danger then they are guilty of child abuse.

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Absolutely! An experience of terror that was totally manufactured, and will never be forgotten by those kids.


223 posted on 05/14/2007 3:32:09 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: admiralsn

I did NOT impart my conservative views on my kids

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but sadly, leftist teachers feel that it is their duty to pass on their leftist perspectives every day. Thus, children are exposed to one idealogy only in most schools.


224 posted on 05/14/2007 3:52:05 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: Riley
I went through the public school system in the 60's and 70's. Being poor, we moved a lot. From grades 1-12, I went through 9 different schools. I can only remember a handful of teachers. Mrs. Freeze, my first grade teacher. Mrs. Layman, 9th grade history. Why do I remember her? Early in the year, a girl challenged her authority and commented her class was just like communism. Mrs. Layman went off on this girl for a good 15 minutes, breaking down the differences between communism and a constitutional republic. It made quite an impression on me. Mr. Talbot, my gym coach in grades 7-9. Had an excellent rapport with the students - black and white. Ex-Air Force and ran his gym class along military lines. Mrs. East, my senior year English teacher. And then there was Mr. Bane. Why do I remember him? Because he slapped a girl in class and was never suspended for it.

So yeah, there are some good teachers out there. But for the most part, they are the "fools, the self-appointed political officers and the automatons with no judgment, common sense or sense of proportion" as you so aptly stated. All this was before the Department of Education was created under Jimmy Carter. I am sure school is worse today. I thank God I never had children and had to go through this crap. I would probably end up being one of those parents you read about who winds up getting arrested.

225 posted on 05/14/2007 3:54:22 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: WasDougsLamb

Here is another point of view. Let’s deliberate on the issue rather than label as “stupid” or “crazy”.

Was the first fire drill called crazy because it might scare children when in fact there was no fire? Maybe.

We are involved in a war with Islamofascism that considers shooting school children fair game. We also have the occasional nutcase who wants to shoot at the unarmed and defenseless. What is so wrong with preparing for such scenarios by drill? Or do we allow Americans to experience terror for the first time only in a reality situation?

Why is the idea so stupid? What if the children learned something? Or has that also been outlawed in schools so they only learn some sanitized myths about the real world.

BTW, far from encouraging some liberal aversion to ownership of firearms, I would guess that most children who experienced even a practice scenario would realize the necessity of arming oneself. Experiencing the “bad” things in the world is often a cure for the “head up the as” world view that we often tag as a liberalism.

Sixth graders are old enough to learn that the shootings on TV are sometimes real. Prepare for it.


226 posted on 05/14/2007 3:57:38 AM PDT by Harris ((optional, printed after your name on post))
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To: TornadoAlley3

If some kids had staged a “fake gun attack” to “train” the teachers, they be up on felony charges.


227 posted on 05/14/2007 4:00:36 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: exit82
Of a 1MT hyrogen air blast, or a 20MT air blast?

There never were missile or air-deliverable 20MT bombs. For a 1 MT blast, at 10 miles you would only see 1 psi of overpressure -- enough to blow out windows, but not enough to collapse a well-constructed concrete structure like most public school buildings built during the 50's and 60's. See Tutorial on the Effects of Nuclear Weapons pdf, page 6

228 posted on 05/14/2007 4:19:18 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI">Open Season</a> rocks)
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To: TornadoAlley3

At my kids’ school, they are being taught the proper care use of a firearm, and to shoot back when attacked. There are firearms available in their school in case they are needed. That is one of the many advantages of homeschooling.


229 posted on 05/14/2007 4:21:24 AM PDT by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The fathers of those children need to, as a group, visit those teachers, drive them out to a secluded field where a shallow trench has been recently dug, and put a little scare into them - let the ‘teachers’ walk home terrified and in their underwear. I’d settle for that over a lawsuit.


230 posted on 05/14/2007 4:29:06 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

The real lesson those kids will learn from this is that teachers lie to them.


231 posted on 05/14/2007 4:36:10 AM PDT by bremenboy (Just Because I Am Born Again Doesn't Mean I was Born Again Yesterday)
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To: TornadoAlley3; All

Instead of teaching the kids to be cowering victims, why not teach them how to protect themselves with a #2 pencil?

These kids learned nothing during this drill.


232 posted on 05/14/2007 4:46:42 AM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: patton

All well and good sir, but that publication is dated 1979. Perhaps you could provide the publication that would have made this info availabe to the public in 1951, when I was 6 years old and going through these drills? Back then most folks only knew that the A Bomb, wich could wipe out a city, was nothing compared to the H Bomb!


233 posted on 05/14/2007 4:49:52 AM PDT by Roccus (We finally consign Marxism to the dustbin of history, and it turns out it’s a recycling bin.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

Too bad there weren't a few kids prepared by their parents for such a situation who jumped up and lobbed desks at the faux perps and then beat the ever loving crap out of them. Ooops! Sorry, teach, my parents taught me when my life is threatened to do whatever it takes to remove the threat.
234 posted on 05/14/2007 4:54:35 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: wolfcreek
The terrorized children "learned" to distrust authority, teachers,
themselves, and might in a real atrocity .... then do nothing.

I wonder what it was like during the planning session?


235 posted on 05/14/2007 5:16:15 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: TornadoAlley3

If this is what passes for “judgment” in public schools, it only makes me happier that my kids have never spent a day in a public school.


236 posted on 05/14/2007 5:19:02 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: TornadoAlley3

If this is what passes for “judgment” in public schools, it only makes me happier that my kids have never spent a day in a public school.


237 posted on 05/14/2007 5:19:09 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: CindyDawg
“They need strong leaders that can give them cues on what to do. IMO”

I completely agree. However, this sort of “drill” should, if desired, be conducted only after the kids have had a thorough briefing to explain what sort of drill the school is going to conduct, what, if anything the kids are expected to do, and why the school is conducting the drill.

Running a surprise drill that simulates a true life-or-death situation is an invitation to disaster.

238 posted on 05/14/2007 5:26:12 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is just as stupid as scaring the kids with global warming crap and Algore’s movie!

I doubt the those teachers will be criticized.


239 posted on 05/14/2007 5:28:57 AM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican party is dead! Let's start over.)
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To: maica

Again.

There are 2 types of government teachers:

1) Bad teachers
2) Enablers.

The premise of government schools is a fundamentally flawed model, therefore they can **not** be reformed. Any parent or teacher continuing to participate in government schools are a large part of the problem.


240 posted on 05/14/2007 5:29:09 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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