Posted on 05/11/2007 9:18:14 PM PDT by teldon30
Hmm; Nothing in there about hispanics. Maybe they don’t use dating services?
I’m in the category of white women who likes all races. I don’t understand why Asian men are rejected, I have never noticed them as being real old fashioned unless they are not educated. Some of the Indian guys are incredibly good looking, so that’s a little baffling that they don’t get dates - I imagine being in computers is the tough part for being perceived as interesting and attractive by women.
I used to live in Asia and I would see the white-guy-in-Asia thing going on, white guys who’d only be looking for Asian women, and I remember it used to piss off the white Brit and Aussie women, but I don’t think it’s a geisha thing, I think white guys just think Asian women are very beautiful, which they often are. They might be tough and martinet-like, but white guys don’t like someone too clingy and gooey and obsessed with talking abou ‘our relationship’ so I can see why there is a balance of attraction at times.
Why White Men Prefer Asian Women
The View From A Sushi Bar
There is near me an Asian sushi-beer-and-dinner establishment that Ill call the Asia Spot. The region is urban, so the clientele is a mix of some of just about everything, but the waitresses are all Asian, principally Japanese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, and Thai.
The Spot is a neighborhood bar. A large after-work crowd, many of them regulars, gather at happy hour. The social dynamics are curious. It would be an exaggeration to say, as someone did, that the black guys come to pick up white women, and the white men come to get away from them but it would be an exaggeration of an underlying truth. The waitresses are a large part of the Spots appeal.
A common subject of conversation among male customers is how very attractive these women are when compared to American women. It is not a thought safe to utter in mixed company. It is a very common thought. American women know it.
Why are the Asians attractive? What, to huge numbers of men, makes almost any Asian more appealing than almost any American? The question is much discussed by men at the Spot. (I should say here that when I say women, I mean the majority of women, the mainstream, the center of gravity. Yes, there are exceptions and degrees.)
American women of my acquaintance offer several explanations, all of them wrong. For example, they say that Asian women are sexually easy. No. American women are sexually easy. The waitresses at the Spot are not available. They date, but they cannot be picked up.
Another explanation popular among American women is that men want submissive women, which Asians are believed to be. Again, no. For one thing, submissive people are bland and boring. In any event the waitresses arent submissive. Many compete successfully in tough professions. Among Asian waitresses I know I count an electrical engineer who does wide-area networks, and a woman with a masters in biochemistry who, upon finding that research required a Ph.D and didnt pay, went back to school and became a dentist. Both of these wait tables to help out in the family restaurant.
At the Spot I know a woman waitressing her way through a degree in computer security, a bright Japansese college graduate making a career in the restaurant business, and the manager of the Spot not a light-weight job. Submissiveness has nothing to do with their attractiveness.
Why, then, are they so very appealing?
To begin with, look at the American women in the Spot. Perhaps a third of them are stylishly dressed. The rest of the gringas run from undistinguished to dumpster-casual: baggy jeans, oversize shirts — often male shirts — with the tails out. They seem to affect a sort of homeless chic, actually to want to look bad, and do it with more than a touch of androgyny. A high proportion are at least somewhat overweight. (So are the men, but thats another subject.) The Asians, without exception, are sleek, well-groomed, and dressed with an understated sexiness that never pushes trashy.
Further, the Asians are what were once called ladies, a thought repellant to feminists but very so refreshing to men. Listen to the American women at neighboring tables, and you will frequently hear phrases like, Hes a fucking piece of shit. In what appears to be a determined attempt to be men, they have adopted the mode of discourse of a male locker room and made it their normal language. The Asians, classier, better students of men, do not have foul mouths. They presumably know about body parts and bathroom functions, but do not believe that a woman raises her stature by referring to them constantly in mixed company.
Men at the Spot, I have noticed, instantly understand that cloacal commentqry is not wanted, and dont engage in it: In the presence of the civilized, men adopt the standards of civilization. Men also tend to think of women as women think of themselves. The Asians, without displaying vanity, clearly think well of themselves. And ought to.
All in all, they give the impression that they do not want to be one of the guys. They want to be one of the girls. Here we come to the core of their appeal. Let me elaborate.
The default position of American women is what men refer to as the chip, a veiled truculence, mixed with a not-very-veiled hostility toward men and a shaky sense of sexual identity. The result is a touchiness reminiscent of hungover ferrets. There is a bandsaw edge to them, a watching for any slight so that they can show that they arent going to take it. They are poised to lash out in aggressive defense of their manhood.
As best as I can tell, they dont like being women. Here is the entire problem in five words.
The Asians at the Spot show every indication that they do like being women. They do not seem to have anything to prove. Being happy with what they are allows them to be comfortable with what they are not men. They are not competing to be what they cant be with people who cant be anything else. They dont have to establish their masculinity because they dont want it. They do not assume, as American women tend to, that femaleness is a diseased condition to be treated by male clothes, gutter language, and bad temper.
Ive spent many dozens of hours chatting with the gals at the Spot, and never seen a sign of the chip. For a man, the experience is wonderful beyond description smart, pretty, classy women, who are women, and are not the enemy. As long as American women carry the chip, the Asian gals will eat them alive in the dating market.
Note that the espousal of hostile obnoxiousness as a guiding philosophy appears to be an almost uniquely American horror. It certainly isnt requisite to independence oe self-respect. I recently met a quite attractive blonde who, among other things, was smart, a long-haul motorcyclist, a student of the martial arts out of sheer athletic enjoyment of it, and an excellent marksman. She was also heterosexual, feminine, delightful company, and had no trace of the chip. I was astonished. How was this possible, I wondered?
She was Canadian.
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Wasn't it Ruth Bader Ginsburg who first got rid of that distinction?
Asian women are considered attractive not only due to their cuteness also their slim figures, it is hard to consistenly find such slim, well maintained body shapes among other groups.
Asian women prefer Caucasian men strongly because of the Eurasian babies factor, such mixed race children are considered beautiful, exotic and desired back in their home nations and given preferences.
In college I had some black man ask me if I had ever dated a black man and why not, since I was apparently limiting my options. I told him there just was not chemistry. That’s all it was about. It was hilarious when he said he had to go because his girlfriend would be upset that he was talking to a white girl.
My wife is Japanese. Very close to my age, and I love her because I just do.
I do take a little heat from white women, but mostly they just assume I was after the subservient wife etc. blah, blah, blah. giesha. blah, blah, blah.
Well, I wish them luck. For me, I like a woman to be just that. Many white women are very womanly, and so are women of many of other races. I just didn’t end up with one of them. I just wish the ones with the chip could let go of the stereotypes. My wife deserves better.
It’s a short list.
The less I think of her, the better.
Also, the whole Jewish man shiksa thing is fun.
I always figured taht it is an anti-Oedipal thing, since most are so clingy with their mothers.
Personally, I like Separdic girls.
LOL
You get a ten for that picture.
Well, not *you*, but Mr. Blue Hair there does.
But, you don't sound like the same type. It is so sweet the way you talk about your wife. :-)
I absolutely agree about American woman having a “chip”, maybe its the Rosie or Hillary equation but also I agree American woman want to be more manly than other racial types. I am a middle aged white guy and have not really thought Asian woman were attractice but after reading this article and my experiance at dating I am willing to expand my horizon. I like an intelligent confident woman who is still feminine, sadly I don’t see much of it here anymore in quite a few years.
You’ve basically nailed it, Vet. I think it boils down to this: Asian — and, I would add, Latin American — women generally haven’t been spoiled by feminism or by the more cynical aspects of American culture. Among other things, American culture has a lot of aggressiveness and a lot of overstated individualism — a need to prove oneself. American women have always had more of this toughness than women in other cultures, including macho cultures. Faced with non-American, or not-typically-American, choices in recent years due to the breakdown of racial taboos, white men very often go for Asians and Latinas. Both love being woman and acting like women. Asian ladies, at least, also tend to be rather slender and are rarely awkward in their body language. Both Asian and Latin women are more likely than white women to have even features and attractive skin.
In this new world of interracial dating, the winners are Hispanics, blacks, and whites among men, and Asians, Hispanics, and whites among women. Black women and Asian men are screwed in terms of quality partners — unless they really have a lot going for them, or are lucky enough to be in love with what others would find to be a low-quality partner.
All in all, the breakdown of racial taboos in dating helps the best-looking, those with charisma or great social skills, and those with money. It doesn’t necessarily do much for the rest of us. All in all, the old “racist” rules may have been more fair in this respect. You don’t create equality by elminating racism. You just shift inequality into new channels. Racism is wrong, but anti-racism doesn’t always create optimal outcomes either.
There are probably more than a few intelligent white women who are also feminine. But they’re snapped up pretty quick by guys who I, at least, can’t compete with. By the time they’re even within 10 years of my age, they’re married, probably happily, since they had the assets to make a good match.
I agree with that article you posted. I don’t have a preference for asian women over others, but I totally get it. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend years ago when he was going through a divorce. In every relationship, one person has to be the woman. A lot of American women don’t want to be the woman. For them, things seldom work out well. That’s not the only reason for divorce by a long shot. But it’s probably why we’ve had the big divorce rate in recent decades, it’s a big contributor. That “having a chip” thing is true. And a lot of American women seem more easily brainwashed by the leftist drivel pushed by college professors, which I think fuels a lot of their “anger” and attitudes. Some of them go into every situation with the expectation that whatever man they meet is going to be some evil bigot. That was already boring decades ago. At this point it’s insufferable.
I'm trying to figure out where this stereotype comes from. It certainly doesn't come from the popular culture. I think the conclusion the writer's trying to avoid is that the consensus standard for male looks is the Caucasian man, whereas the consensus standard for female looks is the Oriental woman. Men of all races prefer Oriental women because they find them good-looking. Conversely, women of all races like Oriental men the least because they find them unattractive. Black women are equally unpopular because men of all races find them unattractive.
Note this is a generalization. Some white men marry black women. And some Oriental men marry Oriental women. But on average, Oriental men will have more trouble landing Oriental women, and black women will have more difficulty landing white men. And this is probably reflected in the marriage statistics.
I think there’s a fair amount to that. We can indeed blame the professors — and, I would add, F-ing Hollywood — for the quiet, sometimes not so quiet, hostility toward men, especially white men, among so many white women, and especially “well-educated” white women. It’s a g-d-damned tragedy.
I think there’s a fair amount to that. We can indeed blame the professors — and, I would add, F-ing Hollywood — for much of the quiet, sometimes not so quiet, hostility toward men, especially toward white men, among so many white women, and above all, “well-educated” white women. It’s a g-d-damned tragedy.
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