Posted on 05/09/2007 7:17:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
But he continues to make himself even LESS electable. Maybe 20 years ago it was possible, but the prolife base in the Republican primary is WAY too strong for him to get nominated.
Good luck with a nat'l amendment; the proper fora are the respective states. That being said, I'd be hard pressed to envision any political process by which individual states would (re)enact police enforcement against women seeking abortions. A more likely scenario would be maintenance of the status quo, which means choice.
Dirtboy: Rudy has spoken out in favor of Roe
If true, then this should be your angle of attack. At best, you're limited in support for criminalization. As to Roe, I can't imagine any conservative, no matter how moderate, that supports this constitutional monstrosity. If Rudy is pro-Roe on constitutional grounds, then he has a real problem amongst those that are ambivalent as to criminalization.
“We’ll move on to the Gun issue, the queer agenda issue, the sanctuary city issue, the mobbed up friends issue, the illegal kickbacks issue, the.....”
Ad nauseum,ad infinitum......
ROTFLMAO!!
Well done. Thank you for the excellent positions summary.
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Aw, no, he's gone. I planned to respond to that when I returned home from the dentist. Now he'll never know of my disdain. Ah, well.
Stick a fork in Rudy......he’s DONE
Yep.
But it was awfully nice of him to finally drop the mask.
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Well, in the primaries, that change of tactics will doom him. It is a real shame since he was for a Big Tent, could have followed 4 ideas that would have captured the nomination with war, tax cuts, jurist appointments, border enforcement and now he has just doomed himself . I would have wished he could have swallowed this issue but he could not and I really believe this leaves Hil to go all the way. I am depressed over Pub chances for sure now.
Yes, most of us knew. Except for the Giuliani supporters who have spent the past several months lying through their teeth about his position.
Oh, and Giuliani himself, since he spent the past several months lying through his teeth about his position.
Sorry, but I will attack Rudy from many, many directions. His perfect NARAL and Planned Parenthood ratings. His addressing NARAL - twice. His praise of Margaret Sanger at one of those speeches. His calling public abortion funding a right. And his claim that he would pay for his granddaughter to have an abortion.
And then there is gun control. His support of the gay agenda. His authoritarian control-freak methods. His pushing Kerik for the most important anti-terror job in the country.
Abortion is just one of many problems with Rudy. But so far, it's the anaconda that is slowly crushing Rudy in its coils.
He and his toadies have been trying to pretend otherwise for the last few months.
I guess we need the weekly Rudy bashing threads hehe
What we need is a nominee from the center of the party. Not the far left. Rudy has no problem telling the pro-life movement to go pound sand. The GOP needs to realize that we have no problem telling Rudy to go pound sand in the general.
Sorry for not being more clear - I meant your angle of attack on abortion. I enjoy reading your many & varied posts on Rudy's different positions regarding gays, 2A, etc.
I just don't think the electorate is going to care - either primary voters or the general. I think he's going to pull off an Arnie on a nat'l scale.
I saw Arnie in public two times during the run-up to the Calif recall: his first day of announcement, and his last appearance before the polls opened.
This type of appeal can't be manufactured; it either exists or it doesn't. For good or bad, BJ (but thankfully, not his dominatrix) possesses it for lefties.
You have an uphill battle in store fighting a symbol. I'm not sure you've yet discovered the chink(s) that will tarnish the image that people "see".
Rudy has many, many weaknesses. You can bleed him to death with a thousand cuts - and during the primary process, by addressing the base and encouraging them not to vote for Rudy. Rudy's only hope is a split conservative field. Fred's entry into the race would probably prevent that.
I didn't know that coddling illegal aliens, running the nation's largest "sanctuary city", was a "social issue".
I didn't know that opposing individual rights to gun ownership and supporting national gun control was a "social issue".
I didn't know that opposing civil liberties was a "social issue."
I didn't know that putting the advancement of a corrupt, mobbed-up business partner (an incompetent high school dropout) ahead of national security was a "social issue."
I didn't know that belief in the global warming hoax and its inherent advancement of the envirowhacko agenda was a "social issue."
I didn't know that destroying unit cohesion and discipline by injecting liberal social experimentation into the military (gays openly serving in the military) was a "social issue."
I didn't know that Giuliani's statement about preparing for failure in Iraq or his lack of confidence that the war in Iraq will "turn around" coupled with the way he dodged the draft were "social issues."
I didn't know that turning New York City into the nation's largest debtor city (surpassed only by the Federal Government itself) was a "social issue."
Some people have really odd definitions for what "social issues" are.
Arnie has made a fortune during his lifetime as a movie actor, so it should come as no surprise that he'd have an "aura" like that. I don't see how Giuliani -- a short, bald guy from New York who wears glasses and talks with a lisp -- could possible have that kind of stage presence.
I'd point out, however, that conservatives in California were the biggest losers in that recall campaign -- because when all was said and done, the state of California had a Democrat-controlled legislature and a leftist Republican governor who would sign anything that legislature passed. If this strikes you as a "winning" formula for the United States, then we're on completely different planets.
JulieAnnie was never meant to be President of USA.
If you want us to all eat our own a year before the election, chant “don’t vote for Giuliani”.
Sorry, that would just be another way of making abortion the deciding issue.
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