Giuliani Plans to Publicly Embrace Abortion Rights [Rudy declares war on conservatism]

New York Times ^ | May 10, 2007 | By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARC SANTORA

[mikeus_maximus]

His duplicity and obvious attempt at subterfuge should tell the Rudy supporters something fundamental about him.

But I suspect it won't.

[dirtboy]

They had no problem engaging in subterfuge and duplicity to shill their guy while attacking actual conservatives. So they’re a natural fit.

[Lexinom]

<SIGH>

It's epidemic. 20th CENTURY U.S. ABORTION LAW WAS NEVER ENFORCED AGAINST WOMEN; it was enforced against PROVIDERS. GOt that? Providers! Not Women!

Good grief.

[Spiff]

It's epidemic. 20th CENTURY U.S. ABORTION LAW WAS NEVER ENFORCED AGAINST WOMEN; it was enforced against PROVIDERS. GOt that? Providers! Not Women!

You're right that it is epidemic. Giuliani himself keeps repeatedly mischaracterizing the pro-life message as wanting to put women in jail. In fact, he implied in the Laura Ingraham interview (that went so poorly for him) that pro-life people want to put people in jail for simply having different views on the matter of abortion. And I quote:

"I should not be the one to determine that for them because I think that people of different views, different consciences here, who come to different views, I think in America you can personally oppose something and at the same time recognize in a pluralistic society other people, just as strongly, view it differently and you can't have the whole...you can't put them in jail for it."
Giuliani Interview - Laura Ingraham Show - 9 May 2007 (Segment 1:17-1:37)

[Lexinom]

I hear what you're saying and used to hold that view. But the women in most cases are pawns. The Sarah Weddingtons and Kate Michelmans of the world represent only a very small fraction of angry, shrill, gung-ho pro-abortion women. Most women who choose abortion do so sadly and reluctantly, because it's the "hip" thing to do (i.e. everyone is doing it), because of peer pressure, etc. Most women, I think would rather be accepted with their full womanhood, which includes motherhood.

No, let's attack the malignant cells in the tumor, not the healthy tissue. Let's go after those who seek to profit from the misfortune of others.

[Prokopton]

If you want us to all eat our own a year before the election, chant “don’t vote for Giuliani”.

Yes, I want you liberals to eat your own a year before the election. Therefore: DON'T VOTE FOR GIULIANI!

[kenth]

Oh well——try to understand that tearing down conservatives makes these abortion savages “feel” superior

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It’s a common theme; we’re ignorant and backward, not enlightened and progressive enough to understand the “need” to back Rudy. Sound familiar? We usually hear that sort of argument from the out and out leftits. Even more ridiculous, the zotted (pre-zot) feigned outrage at being labaled liberal or leftist.

[elfman2]

"Yes, I want you liberals to eat your own a year before the election."

You're a nut.

[jedward]

Bump for post!

[Prokopton]

You're a nut.

You're a liberal. I'd rather be a nut.

[Spiff]

This is not a big issue with me. I couldn’t care less what a candidate’s position is on abortion.

What would your opinion be of an alleged conservative who said, "This is not a big issue with me. I couldn’t care less what a candidate’s position is on slavery?"

[PerConPat]

This is probably redundant...I haven’t read the entire thread. Rudy, IMHO, has always known that the Republican nomination was a less than sure thing, given his transparent background. And the continued support for Fred, who is doing quite well while Rudy and the others have been busting their backsides, has to be discouraging for Giuliani etc.. So, the waters might now be tested for the mother of all third-party candidacies.

In that case, of course, the question will be one of whether Rudy is for real or for Hilllary? I wait and watch.

[StAnDeliver]

"Unless the leftist vote gets split evenly between the democrat nominee and Gore running as Green, Giuliani couldn’t possibly win the general election. The Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party survives only in the bluest of states."

A superb observation (I say this as the first FReeper to flatly state Gore is going to run on the Green Party ticket) and almost surely what Giuliette is relying on.

He doesn't give a damn about the pro-life South -- his handlers have convinced him he won't lose those to her, and that he's unbeatable in New York.

IF they're right, Madame Cankles can't win -- there's no electoral math where she can win. She could keep all of Kerry's BUT NY, and flip CO, NM, NV, IA, AND OH, and he would still win by 1 EV.

From my conservative POV, it's much easier and far less a danger to our Constitution to defeat Mme Cankles this way -- Fred Thompson hits the Rust Belt, flips WI & MI, keeps all the Bush states, and wins in a landslide. Amen.

[Spiff]

From my conservative POV, it's much easier and far less a danger to our Constitution to defeat Mme Cankles this way -- Fred Thompson hits the Rust Belt, flips WI & MI, keeps all the Bush states, and wins in a landslide. Amen.

I like the way you talk...

[Beagle8U]

Rooty can end his pain by just dropping out of the race so he can return to NYC to play dress-up with his queer friends.

Then and only then will he be left alone.

[StAnDeliver]

You should read this. Also see Libertarians 4 Life.org

[Beagle8U]

“If you want us to all eat our own a year before the election, chant “don’t vote for Giuliani”.”

He’s not “our” own, He’s your own. You eat him!

[hershey]

Well, according to CNN’s crawling newstape yesterday, the Pope reiterated his position on those promoting and supporting abortion. If you’re Catholic and you do either of the above, you risk excommunication. Fat Teddy and Rudy, pay attention. Also, a vote for Kennedy and Rudy may earn you excommunication. Same bad news for doctors and nurses performing abortions. The Catholic Church hasn’t changed its views on this, but the Pope is repeating them loudly down in Brazil. (To cheering crowds, no doubt.) Forty million dead in the US. Mindboggling. Horrific. God is not happy.

[StAnDeliver]

"If they don't support prohibition, they are implicitly supporting choice (the existing de facto position absent criminalization), regardless of which organization chooses to attempt to frame the issue."

You are woefully unaware of Constitutionalism, thus one wonders what brings you here.

[StAnDeliver]

"That being said, I'd be hard pressed to envision any political process by which individual states would (re)enact police enforcement against women seeking abortions."

You don't think we've planned for this? You, are a rube.

Within one state assembly/legislature cycle, along this order:

• AL (special session)
• MS (special session)
• IN (special session)
• ID (special session)
• ND
• SD
• NE
• WV
• AR
• KY
• TN
• AK

These legislatures are loaded with pro-life Democrats. NE is unicameral but also majority pro-life.