Giuliani Plans to Publicly Embrace Abortion Rights [Rudy declares war on conservatism]

New York Times ^ | May 10, 2007 | By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARC SANTORA

[dirtboy]

You said this line in response to the poster mentioning Goodfellas:

and if you go back far enough, he's likely part black when the moors invaded Sicily

And that was from True Romance.

Oh, and last I checked, Kerik isn't exactly an Italian name. So Goodfellas is more about mob ties in the context mentioned than ethnicity.

[Charles Martel]

"Bring 'em on, I prefer a straight fight to all this sneaking around!"

- Han Solo

[garv]

Ivan’s Rooty Reject Room.

Anyone who takes issue with FR's recent involuntary relocation program should go check out the posts of the "pro-life, conservative" former Freepers, some of whom spent years posing as conservatives and now openly mock conservatism.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised when anti-Mormon bigot Giuliani campaign workers and other Rudy supporters reveal themselves, but the level and length of their deception is an eye-opener.

[Beagle8U]

“Why Duck If Rudy’s Telling the Truth?

Mr. Kuriansky has been ducking reporters for the 18 months since Mr. Kerik’s sea of ethical troubles drowned his reputation right after he withdrew his name from consideration for U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security. He has no obvious reason not to come forward to support Mr. Giuliani’s claim that he was in the dark about Mr. Kerik’s transgressions if the former Mayor is telling the truth.

Mr. Giuliani himself made a comment that suggested he considered his veracity on the subject somewhat of a moot point, telling reporters back in late 2004 that he might have tapped Mr. Kerik as Police Commissioner even if he had known of his social relationship with Frank DiTommaso.

That claim alone should cause rethinking about the
former Mayor’s fitness to be President. For a man who made his reputation bringing important cases against organized-crime families to argue that he would have given charge of the NYPD to a guy with a friend linked to the Gambino family suggests that Mr. Giuliani somewhere along his path to power threw away his moral compass.....

http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/2006/0714/razzle_dazzle/021.html

[Chuck Dent]

What has Rudy done in the counterterrorism department?

Remember, overturning Roe does not make abortion illegal; it would require either a Federal amendment or individual state laws. Absent support for criminalization, then supporters of the resulting status-quo are "pro-choice". Since no major candidate has publicly come out in favor of implementing prohibition in the likely case that Roe is eventually overturned, we can then surmise that they too are "pro-choice". Score one for Rudy, in only that no other candidate's position is any different from his on this issue.

Now as to the WoT: Perception is reality. Rudy enjoys the perception that he will aggressively prosecute the WoT. How will his detractors combat this image? It seems both unlikely & a real uphill battle. He's got the $ and he has the perception. You're going to need a real home-run to turn-around the public's favorable impression of him on the WoT.

[dirtboy]

Remember, overturning Roe does not make abortion illegal; it would require either a Federal amendment or individual state laws. Absent support for criminalization, then supporters of the resulting status-quo are "pro-choice". Since no major candidate has publicly come out in favor of implementing prohibition in the likely case that Roe is eventually overturned, we can then surmise that they too are "pro-choice". Score one for Rudy, in only that no other candidate's position is any different from his on this issue.

Oh, puh-leeze. Rudy has perfect ratings from NARAL and Planned Parenthood. That goes well beyond a state issue regarding Roe. Rudy is very strongly pro-choice. No other GOP candidate is. Your spin is pure nonsense here.

Now as to the WoT: Perception is reality. Rudy enjoys the perception that he will aggressively prosecute the WoT. How will his detractors combat this image? It seems both unlikely & a real uphill battle. He's got the $ and he has the perception. You're going to need a real home-run to turn-around the public's favorable impression of him on the WoT.

We don't need a home run. Just a lot of singles. By doing what we are doing now. Clearly stating the truth about his past and present.

But thanks, you do make a compelling case why we have to beat up on Rudy in order to counter the lies his campaign is capable of promulgating. The next time someone bleats not attacking Rudy, I'll mention your post as Exhibit A as why we don't have any other choice.

[TommyDale]

"Either pony up with direct evidence that Rudy IS mob, or shut up -"

"The guy absolutely ate up the mob when he was a young lawyer"

Apparently he didn't "eat up" the part of the mob connected to Bernie Kerik.

[VRWCmember]

Maybe he’s planning on running as a democrat.

Well, in past elections he has publicly endorsed democrat candidates about as often as any of the democrat hopefuls have. So he would be credible as a democrat nominee. Plus, since his supporters claim he is the only one that can beat hillary or Obama, it would make sense for the democrats to embrace him as their candidate.

[Alberta's Child]

This is an opportunity for the conservative pundits to turn on Rudy. If not, they’ve been lying about their convictions.

That's a very good point. I would suggest, though, that if Rudy Giuliani were to pursue this kind of strategy then any so-called "conservative" who has already gone on the record as trying to twist Giuliani's radical pro-abortion background into a "pro-life record" (are you listening, Deroy Murdock and Bill Simon?) has already lost every shred of credibility anyway.

[Spiff]

Anyone who takes issue with FR's recent involuntary relocation program should go check out the posts of the "pro-life, conservative" former Freepers, some of whom spent years posing as conservatives and now openly mock conservatism.

Their true character is certainly revealed when they take their masks off. It's ugly over there. Some stomped off from FR because they said we were becoming an echo chamber. So they promptly when somewhere to make their own pathetic site that resembles an echo chamber more than anything I've ever seen.

[NapkinUser]

RINO Rudy must be destroyed.

Freepmail me to be added or removed from the "STOP RUDY 2008" ping list.

[Spiff]

That's a very good point. I would suggest, though, that if Rudy Giuliani were to pursue this kind of strategy then any so-called "conservative" who has already gone on the record as trying to twist Giuliani's radical pro-abortion background into a "pro-life record" (are you listening, Deroy Murdock and Bill Simon?) has already lost every shred of credibility anyway.

Giuliani's toady, Deroy Murdock, may have to look for something else to write about now. But who is going to want to read anything the now discredited liar Murdock has to write.

[wagglebee]

RINO Rudy must be destroyed.

He's making it pretty damn easy!

[TommyDale]

"RINO Rudy must be destroyed."

LOL! He's doing a really good job at that all by himself!!

[Liz]

Kerik knows where all the bodies are buried-——he started out as Rooty’s gofer———as his driver and bodyguard.

Wonder what bodies belonging to Rooty Kerik drove and guarded?

[Alberta's Child]

The only problem with that approach is that the so-called "War on Terror" hasn't really been an important issue for most voters in years.

Ask a random group of American voters if national security is more important than Social Security. You'd be shocked at the results.

[Beagle8U]

“Apparently he didn’t “eat up” the part of the mob connected to Bernie Kerik.”

He’s been eating up alot of Mob money in Nevada campaign donations.

“In Nevada, former N.Y. mayor beats all contenders, including Democratic frontrunner Clinton
By Michael J. Mishak

Republican Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, pulled large sums of cash from the Fertitta family, owners of the neighborhood casino giant Station Casinos, and a bevy of the company’s executives.”

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/text/2007/apr/24/566687919.html

Now lets see what the background of his big campaign donors look like.

“It all began in the early 20th century when two Sicilian barbers arrived in Galveston from Sicily via Louisiana. Rose and Sam Maceo were soon to build an illegal gambling empire from simple bootlegging roots and become known as Papa Rose and Big Sam. Along with their relatives the Fertitta family, they would control the black economy, the organised crime and the politics of Galveston for many years. One of their more well known illegal casinos was ‘The Balinese Room’ but by the mid 1930’s, and the time that prohibition ended, they had built up an entire city block of illegal casinos and gambling dens in Galveston. Many people feel that they created the Vegas format before Vegas ever existed. Sam Maceo organized for all the big name singers and bands of the time to appear at his casinos, including Frank Sinatra.”

http://www.fightsport.com/fsport/fightsport/news/2005_02_13_fightsport_archive.html

I’m sure the Rats would never raise any questions about why Rooty seems to know so many with Mob connections ?/sarc.

[Manic_Episode]

ZOT!

[NapkinUser]

At the same time, Mr. Giuliani’s campaign — seeking to accomplish the unusual task of persuading the Republican Party to nominate an abortion rights supporter as its presidential candidate — is eyeing a path to the nomination that would try to de-emphasize the early states in which abortion opponents wield a great deal of influence. Instead they would focus on the so-called mega-primary of Feb. 5, in which voters in states like California, New York and New Jersey are likely to be more receptive to Mr. Giuliani’s social views than voters in states like Iowa and South Carolina. They said that approach became more appealing after Florida, another state they said would be receptive to Mr. Giuliani, voted last week to move its primary forward to the end of January.

The shift in emphasis by Mr. Giuliani comes as his campaign has struggled to deal with the fallout from the first Republican presidential candidate debate in which he gave a halting and apparently contradictory responses to questions about his support for abortion rights. Mr. Giuliani’s aides were concerned both because it opened him up to a new round of criticism from abortion critics — who have never been happy with the prospect of a Republican presidential candidate who supports abortion rights — while threatening to undercut his image as a tough-talking iconoclast who does not equivocate on tough issues.

It really sounds like the Giuliani is switching his views based on the latest numbers and focus groups. Everything he does is just to be elected, just like Hillary Clinton. The guy is so phoney. The people who call this twit "principled" are either lying or delusional (that means you, Sean Hannity, you shameless Rudy shill).

[NapkinUser]

Curious, was this already discussed? "This" meaning this keyword:

antiabortionnutshere

I wonder who added that gem.