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Bobby Schindler: GOP Prez Debate: Since When Does Pro-Life Mean Killing Disabled People?
Life News ^ | 5/7/07 | Bobby Schindler

Posted on 05/07/2007 4:16:34 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee; Ultra Sonic 007
All but one of the candidates proudly expressed their pro-life positions, and then just a short time later, in response to a question on the Terri Schiavo case, some of them stated that the courts should decide whether or not it was acceptable for an innocent disabled woman to be starved and dehydrated to death.

Not Duncan Hunter.

21 posted on 05/07/2007 5:45:25 PM PDT by Lexinom (DH08/FT08)
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To: neodad

Stinking human refuse (the parents, that is).


22 posted on 05/07/2007 5:50:53 PM PDT by Lexinom (DH08/FT08)
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To: wagglebee

Who really wants a president who isn’t really going to be everyone’s president? It brings the disability issue front and center. Candidates should have positions on disability whether it be wounded Veterans or other people with disabilities. A leader should not discriminate against or be indifferent to the disabled community.


23 posted on 05/07/2007 5:54:08 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser & REMEMBER TERRI IN CAMPAIGN 2008)
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To: wagglebee

Darn right!


24 posted on 05/07/2007 7:12:24 PM PDT by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: Puddleglum
What were the candidates replies? Who defended Terri and who waffled?

Duncan Hunter was the only one who passed with flying colors.

25 posted on 05/07/2007 7:15:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: wagglebee; pissant; mom4kittys; Antoninus; AuntB; Kevmo; WalterSkinner; WFTR; 8mmMauser; ...
Hunter NEVER wavered.

"Whenthere's a question, err on the side of life.

26 posted on 05/07/2007 7:23:28 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I was so proud of Duncan Hunter. To quote Ronald Reagan, [”err on the side life”] at that moment was just perfect. Even though he got the least time to speak, he made it count.


27 posted on 05/07/2007 7:24:45 PM PDT by buckeye49
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To: buckeye49

oops, “err on the side OF life”


28 posted on 05/07/2007 7:25:34 PM PDT by buckeye49
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To: floriduh voter; wagglebee
I have older and disabled family members who depend on leaders that won't advocate their extermination. I'll probably be there myself some day. Most of us will be. I'm not handing my vote to anyone who will advance the move toward forced euthanasia. That's one of those non-negotiable issues.


29 posted on 05/07/2007 7:58:40 PM PDT by BykrBayb (May the way of the hero lead to the triforce! Þ)
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To: wagglebee
I don't have the transcripts readily available, but I believe that at least one of the candidates made the point that once a state court has ruled on this kind of issue, the federal government should not be involved. Our system of government is supposed to be one of federalism with a clear distinction between state powers and federal powers. Where certain powers should belong to the states, the federal government should not force itself into an issue. That division doesn't mean that the states will always make the right choice in each situation, but the danger of the federal government intruding into state business may be greater than the damage done by a wrong decision on any issue. While I would have been happier to see this situation go the other way, I can respect those who believe that the dangers of federal interference outweigh the benefits of righting this wrong.

Personally, I think the whole issue is a no-win situation for the Republican Party. As someone who has had several relatives starve as a result of stomach and intestinal cancer, I'm glad that no one tried to interfere in the decisions that my family made in those situations. Many people have been in similar situations, and they will not support a candidate or party who seems intent on intruding into these decisions.

One way that candidates could win some support is by saying that we should go back to a time when all life-sustaining measures will be used unless the patient has left specific instructions in a living will. That stand won't be popular, but it would be a stand emphasizing the need for people to take personal responsibility to leave specific, written instructions for what treatments should be done.

Another set of reforms would be these:

1. Money awarded for a patient's care in a civil suit should go only to the patient and only for medical care. Money left over after the patient passes would revert to the courts and not be available to anyone else. This change would eliminate the financial incentive for someone to give up early on a severely disabled patient.

2. A judge's "finding" on any medical question should be subject to review at every appeal. One of the worst aspects of the Terri case was that Greer's initial "finding" that she was in a permanent vegetative state was never subject to challenge. Judges simply don't have the background to draw final conclusions on medical or technical issues. Their "findings" should always be subject to review at every step in the process.

3. Family members should be able to initiate divorce proceedings on behalf of a disabled person if there are grounds for divorce and the disabled person is unable to initiate divorce proceedings. Even if I believed that Michael Schiavo was completely sincere in everything he was trying to do, his authority to make decisions for Terri should have ended when he began a relationship with another woman. The point of a marriage is that a husband and wife may make decisions for one another because they have a unique relationship. Michael had left that unique relationship with Terri and entered one with another woman. At that point, he shouldn't have been making those decisions for Terri. A court should have granted a divorce and then put Terri in her family's custody.

These kinds of changes would prevent a repeat of the Terri situation without making voters fear that religious conservatives are going to intrude on difficult family decisions.

Bill

30 posted on 05/07/2007 8:13:50 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for the ping. Duncan Hunter did stand out, and it was with a very simple statement that values human beings within a very brief time slot.

Go Duncan Hunter!


31 posted on 05/07/2007 9:29:55 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: wagglebee

Bobby and I are wondertwins, my exact thoughts.


32 posted on 05/08/2007 12:31:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray for Tony Snow, Liz Edwards, cancer patients, their families and support.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Duncan Hunter was the only one who passed with flying colors.

That's good to hear.

33 posted on 05/08/2007 4:19:51 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: WFTR

I like your reform ideas very much. #1 would have immediate results.


34 posted on 05/08/2007 4:22:37 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


35 posted on 05/08/2007 5:00:41 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Thanks for the ping. Also note my link today, post #185...

Find out the TRUTH about Terris Fight for life

8mm

36 posted on 05/08/2007 5:06:24 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“”When there’s a question, err on the side of life.”

Duncan Hunter Bump!


37 posted on 05/08/2007 7:30:40 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: wagglebee
"As far as I’m concerned, you can’t call yourself pro-life and be against one and for the other. This is why I was more than a little surprised by the responses the frontrunners and even a few of the second tier candidates gave. Their answers clearly reflected the ongoing influence of the mainstream media and its tendency to report only biased polls regarding my sister’s circumstances."

The truth comes to light, even when the disingenuous attempt to smoothly cover it up. The real tragedy here is that many of those candidates actually believe themselves to be "pro-Life" while they are only for "life" when they believe that only a "few" people (voters?) were opposed to the cruel starvation of a helpless woman.

Many so-called "pro-lifers" were opposed to saving Terri's life, as a "judge" had "ordered" her removed from food and water to "accomodate" her husband's wishes.

38 posted on 05/08/2007 7:45:59 AM PDT by zerosix
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