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Mitt Romney's Evangelical Problem
Washington Monthly ^ | Amy Sullivan

Posted on 05/07/2007 7:26:37 AM PDT by meandog

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To: CharlesWayneCT
If that is the standard, then we can't elect anybody except a good fundamentalist christian

Frankly I don't care if the Presidential candidate gets up in the morning and worships a bed post. I want a Presidential candidate that promises to cut government to the bone. That thing conservative candidates used to work for. Back before the Republican party returned to its roots of big government and even bigger promises of wasteful spending.

Seeing as the 'big three' sound like they haven't met a spending bill they wouldn't like, and the other 6 either want some sort of social moral law at the federal level, I think I'll actually vote for the lone conservative in the Republican primary. The only one that mentioned the Constitution in the debate and the only one on the stage that apparently knew the document existed.

21 posted on 05/07/2007 8:03:21 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Burkean
Romney’s biggest problem isn’t that he’s Mormon, but that he is devout. Most people in the US who claim to be religious do not actually follow the tenets of their faith.

Is that why Romney did not follow Mormon teaching on abortion and homosexuality -- until he decided to run for president?

22 posted on 05/07/2007 8:05:03 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Calpernia
I’m more interested in what criteria Romney qualified for to receive the Log Cabin Republican endorsement in 1994.

Ummm....not being the DEMOCRAT Teddy Kennedy.

23 posted on 05/07/2007 8:06:04 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years......WOLFHOUNDS!!!!)
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To: Mogger

He’s received the worse tag by the liberals...

Snake Oil Salesman!!

The propaganda from the left is very dangerous!


24 posted on 05/07/2007 8:08:07 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: Burkean

Burjean, that is so true.

And how did you know that my uncle was a Kennedy Catholic? lol.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 8:08:53 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (A proud member of the Frederalist society. Gnats don't bother us)
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To: meandog

I believe the book of Mormon is phony as the day is long but I do admire Mormons for what are clearly strong traditional family values. Utah isn’t the most conservative state in the Union for nothing. I spent a good deal of time researching Joseph Smith and the ever changing book of Mormon which is at best science fiction. I know a little about such fictions because a ancestor of mine wrote a similar tome, though he did it through automatic typing instead of translating with the use of a seer stone. The translating was suppose to be perfect letter for letter when the tablets were received from the angel Moroni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oahspe


26 posted on 05/07/2007 8:09:14 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Great assertions require great empirical proof.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

That doesn’t qualify you for LCR endorsement. LCR can chose to support; but endorsement is an application process.


27 posted on 05/07/2007 8:09:42 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Exactly.


28 posted on 05/07/2007 8:10:01 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Great assertions require great empirical proof.)
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To: JohnnyZ

I don’t see anything inconsistent (as far as the Mormon Church is concnerned) with Romey’s actions about abortion or homosexuality. One could argue that he has flipped politically.


29 posted on 05/07/2007 8:17:47 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: ClearCase_guy

Actually, it is looking more like the DNC and their media sycophancy are now certain they can accentuate the negatives regarding the huge differences in Mormonism and Christianity, thereby dividing conservatives and suppressing conservative and moderately conservative turnout in ‘08. This process of divide and conquer over Romney’s religion will not start in earnest until he gets the nomination, if he gets it. The DNC is seeking any means to smear religious conservatism so their brand of religious posturing will win the day, ideologically. It has little or nothing to do with God or obedience to God’s leading. If evangelicals cannot be made to tow the liberal lines, they will be marginalized and eliminated from the activism effect.


30 posted on 05/07/2007 8:23:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Burkean
I can't say for certain about LDS but for Catholics it is wrong to support and promote abortion like Romney did for so long -- until it was politically convenient to switch his beliefs.

Similarly with public promotion of "gay rights".

And Romney promised to be a leader in taking "gay rights" from the Ted Kennedy fringes to the mainstream, which has indeed happened, to the detriment of society. Romney also supported the governor's government funded gay youth (gay recruitment) council in Massachusetts for nearly his entire term, until the legislature formed a SECOND gay youth council.

You are saying that is consistent with Mormonism?

31 posted on 05/07/2007 8:29:09 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: meandog
At risk of being flamed, may I say that I could vote for Romney in the primary, and definitely will vote for him in the General should he win the nomination. At the same time, I have a hard time taking Mormonism seriously in any theological way (as opposed to a social movement). Theologicaly, to me it's a big stretch to call Mormonism "Christian" unless one is speaking of "general moral values."

Christians proclaim the Cross, Mormons hide the Cross

Classical christianity is based on the concept of irretrievably corrupt and sinful humans being redeemed by Jesus' "paying the price" on the cross in our place, and we, in repentane accepting his sacrifice as the central principal of our lives. Catholics and Evangelicals see the cross as symbolically central to their faith. In Mormonism, the central principal of the cross is pushed to the periphery, to the extent that the symbol and the meaning behind it are largely ignored. It's a religion about the Golden Rule and seeking righteousness, which is all well and good, but is not "Christianity" in the historic sense of the term, any more than Confucianism.

Christians proclaim the Cross, Mormons hide the Cross

32 posted on 05/07/2007 8:32:14 AM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting the facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a hit.)
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To: meandog
Christian Voters: All or Nothing

End up with nothing.

33 posted on 05/07/2007 8:33:33 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: ClearCase_guy
The media believes that the GOP base (evangelical Christians) will not turn out for a Mormon, and so the media desperately wants a Mormon to be our nominee.

Exactly!

Thompson/Hunter '08!

34 posted on 05/07/2007 8:38:50 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: fishtank
“’ManTan’ Romney”...

By all accounts, he virtually raised his sons around the lake. He's also big on scouting.

Not a hunting guy but he is outdoorsy and has been for decades.

Is Romney's tan any deeper than Fred Thompson's has been over the years?

Or is there some advantage in Paleface Republicans? I don't get it.

Did I mention that Michael Savage is generally an idiot, just a little higher in the food chain than Art Bell?
35 posted on 05/07/2007 8:38:52 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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To: elizabetty
This is terribly embarrassing and some Evangelicals are looking VERY BAD right now. They are fulfilling the Democrats caricature of the intolerant ReTHUGlicans.

In whose eyes?

36 posted on 05/07/2007 8:40:11 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Hi, PYW...Finished with your packing?


37 posted on 05/07/2007 8:42:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: BJungNan

Look at the 2002 Arizona Governor’s race for a preview of what you’ll get if Mitt Romney wins the primary. We had a good man, Matt Salmon, a conservative Republican and a mormon against Janet Napolitano (one who hadn’t even lived here that long - sound familiar?) and she won, partly due to the 3rd party candidate who sucked off votes. But Matt’s “nice guy” face couldn’t overcome the questions about mormonism, low name recogniton, and a lackluster campaign.

In my opinion, if Mitt wins the primary and Hillary is the dem candidate, we’re looking at another 4-8 in the slammer with a President Clinton! I didn’t do anything wrong to get prison time and that’s what America will be under her watch...


38 posted on 05/07/2007 8:42:22 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: elizabetty
This is terribly embarrassing and some Evangelicals are looking VERY BAD right now

So youre saying Mormonism is NOT a cult? Thats an interesting interpretation.

39 posted on 05/07/2007 8:43:47 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: JohnnyZ

Good info, thanks. BTW, your home page is chock full of good information on Romney.


40 posted on 05/07/2007 8:44:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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