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Native American DNA Found In UK
BBC ^ | 4-5-2007

Posted on 05/05/2007 2:28:21 PM PDT by blam

Native American DNA found in UK

By Paul Rincon
Science reporter, BBC News

Doreen (left) with daughter Rebecca and granddaughter Anais

DNA testing has uncovered British descendents of Native Americans brought to the UK centuries ago as slaves, translators or tribal representatives.

Genetic analysis turned up two white British women with a DNA signature characteristic of American Indians.

An Oxford scientist said it was extremely unusual to find these DNA lineages in Britons with no previous knowledge of Native American ancestry.

Indigenous Americans were brought over to the UK as early as the 1500s.

Many were brought over as curiosities; but others travelled here in delegations during the 18th Century to petition the British imperial government over trade or protection from other tribes.

Experts say it is probable that some stayed in Britain and married into local communities.

Doreen Isherwood, 64, from Putney, and Anne Hall, 53, of Huddersfield, only found out about their New World heritage after paying for commercial DNA ancestry tests.

Mrs Isherwood told BBC News: "I was expecting the results to say I belonged to one of the common European tribes, but when I got them back, my first thought was that they were a mistake.

"It rocked me completely. It made think: who am I?"

Ancestral home

The chartered physiotherapist studied for a degree at the University of North Carolina, but had no idea she possessed Native American ancestors. She said she came from a long line of Lancashire cotton weavers.

Raleigh brought Indians from the Jamestown area to England

Mrs Isherwood added that she was "immensely proud" of her newfound heritage, which has renewed a long-standing interest in Native American culture.

Anne Hall, who works as a private educational tutor, commented: "I was thrilled to bits. It was a very pleasant surprise. To have Native American blood is very exotic."

She said she now aimed to investigate her family history in an attempt to track down the source of her rare genetic lineage.

Mrs Isherwood says her American antecedent must have arrived in Britain in the 18th or 17th Centuries. She has traced her maternal ancestors back to 1798 and has found no sign of New World progenitors.

Maternal clans

The tests taken by both women were based on analysis of DNA inside the "powerhouses" of our cells: the mitochondria.

Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed down from mother to daughter more or less unchanged; but changes, or mutations, accumulate in the DNA sequence over successive generations.

Pocahontas was the daughter of a Native American chief

Scientists can use these changes to classify mtDNAs into broad types (called haplogroups) which, to some extent, reflect a person's geographical origin.

Mrs Isherwood and Mrs Hall possessed haplogroups characteristic of the indigenous people of the Americas, which are referred to as A and C.

"It's very unusual. Most of the people we test belong to one of the European maternal clans," said Professor Bryan Sykes, whose company Oxford Ancestors carried out the tests for Doreen and Anne.

Professor Sykes, also a professor of human genetics at the University of Oxford, said: "There are matches between [Doreen and Anne] and particular Native American tribes, but that doesn't necessarily mean those are the tribes their ancestors came from."

Trickle of immigrants

This month marks the 400th anniversary of Jamestown, the first permanent English-speaking settlement in North America.

Alden Vaughan, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, in New York, has written a book on American Indians in Britain. He said indigenous peoples from the New World began arriving in Britain as early as the sixteenth century.

"It started earlier than Jamestown. A number were brought over through the 1500s, mainly as curiosities," he told BBC News. Others were taken to Britain to learn English and go back to the colonies as translators.

"Sir Walter Raleigh brought back several individuals from the Jamestown area and from the Orinoco valley. Pocahontas went to England in 1616 and died there the next year.

"She was accompanied by several of her tribal associates. Some of them stayed in England for several years. I don't know of any marriages or even relationships between those women and Englishmen, but it is certainly possible.

"Later in the 17th Century, Native American slaves were brought over. I don't know much about them, because all the evidence I have are ads in London newspapers for runaway bond-servants, described as being Indians."


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KEYWORDS: americans; dna; godsgravesglyphs; native; uk
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To: blam
Interesting. I had all four first premolars pulled as a kid because my dentist said they needed it to prevent crowding. I don’t know why, but my parents agreed.

Anyways, I still got them in a box and just looked at them. I got one root on the top ones and two roots on the bottom ones.

Oh, by the way...the 2 big molars on top, I forget what they are called, are different on Caucasian males than everyone else in the world. Only caucasian males have an extra little bump on the front inside corner of the two big molars. I have these extra little bumps.

So I have hybrid caucasian-chinese teeth.

41 posted on 05/05/2007 9:13:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: blam

No!

I never heard of that! What is it?


42 posted on 05/05/2007 9:14:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: blam

Lamb??? Check the upper right....http://www.familytreedna.com/
There are 15 members already.


43 posted on 05/05/2007 9:17:52 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: mamelukesabre
When I was a kid my molars had deep “indentations” in the tops and fronts. The dentist convinced my parents to have them filled because they would be prone to decay. Kinda like a mouth full of incisors. As far as I know; I’m the only one in my family who had this.

Does that dental trait fit any group?

44 posted on 05/05/2007 9:18:11 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: blam

Hi Blam. This is very strange. Laplanders? English Indians?
How much trouble was it to find that out?

Would be very nice if this could somehow end racism, but I doubt it.


45 posted on 05/05/2007 9:20:57 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Drango
" Project Members Description Lamb 15 The Lamb Family Project is open to all who are interested in... "

Hmmmm. I wonder why the sent that email. I'm going to see if I can find it. Thanks.

46 posted on 05/05/2007 9:21:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: Grizzled Bear; blam

I have no idea. Maybe blam has an idea


47 posted on 05/05/2007 9:23:00 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: blam

http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/l/lamb/


48 posted on 05/05/2007 9:25:53 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: blam

You know what though? I just remembered something. My little sister had ONE of those buttock marks. It was just a birth mark to us. But looking at that photo I’m fairly certain her birthmark was one of those marks.


49 posted on 05/05/2007 9:26:25 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Drango
support@familytreedna.com
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50 posted on 05/05/2007 9:29:01 PM PDT by blam
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To: Grizzled Bear
"Does that dental trait fit any group?"

Click on the link 'Sindodont Teeth' in my post #38 for the answer.

51 posted on 05/05/2007 9:32:59 PM PDT by blam
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To: mamelukesabre
"Interesting. I had all four first premolars pulled as a kid because my dentist said they needed it to prevent crowding."

To many teeth, crowding, is left over from when we had bigger mouths. Not everyone has the problem.

52 posted on 05/05/2007 9:36:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: the invisib1e hand
Just think! Then all the aging rockers can finally get to play Buckingham Palace

I can picture a toothless Mick wagging his tongue at the Queen.(GSTQ)

53 posted on 05/05/2007 9:42:49 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles ("Some hams hanging in the kitchen were taken out for burial")
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To: mamelukesabre
"My little sister had ONE of those buttock marks."

They fade away with age.

54 posted on 05/05/2007 9:43:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Yeah well, most people get their wisdom teeth pulled for that. I still got my wisdom teeth. And I got gaps in my front teeth because there’s too much room in my mouth. So I guess I didn’t need those teeth pulled.

I’d say my dentist was a nut.


55 posted on 05/05/2007 9:44:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Sam Cree
"Hi Blam. This is very strange. Laplanders? English Indians?
How much trouble was it to find that out?"

Not any, a swab in the mouth and $107.50 at the National Geographic Genographic Project. Do a search using that high-lighted title.

56 posted on 05/05/2007 9:46:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: Sam Cree
"Hi Blam. This is very strange. Laplanders? English Indians?"

BTW, the Sa'ami view being called 'Laplander' as Blacks do being called the N-word. I found that out in my searches on haplogroup V.

57 posted on 05/05/2007 9:49:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: mamelukesabre
"And I got gaps in my front teeth because there’s too much room in my mouth. So I guess I didn’t need those teeth pulled."

LOL. It's probably comfortable for you to chew two pieces of gum at once, huh?

58 posted on 05/05/2007 9:51:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
......Our surname is Lamb

I wonder if you're related to this guy?

Click Here

Dana Lamb

Click The Pic

Click Here

59 posted on 05/05/2007 10:32:06 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: WildcatClan
.....not Mankiller variety. :)

Not a big fan of Wilma, heh?

60 posted on 05/05/2007 10:36:47 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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